Saviors of Saviors of Earth

Brilliant Thread on ATS

2009-07-12T21:29:02.742Z

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread481412/pg1

go there and read this amazing info!

Step Right up Folks!

2009-06-26T19:34:13.585Z

So time to have a little game here my friends. Let's start a pool on what Brad's newest opus will contain. Try to produce what you think will be the table of contents for this newest intellectual cancer Jewawan will release out to the universe. Make up a title if you wish to do so, I'm not sure if there's an official one out yet.

Prize of this game: One(1) Internet

URGENT REQUEST

2009-04-12T00:35:23.240Z

Can someone please take this kid out for a beer and get him laid FOR THE LOVE OF GOD.

http://saviorsofearth.ning.com/forum/topics/finding-a-dead-crow-in-front

"Finding a dead crow in front of my porch

Does anyone know what the meaning of a dead crow in front of my porch is this a bad thing a or a good thing? It's in my yard but right at my porch step. I believe it is 14 -16" long from tail to head, i thought it was a raven but i believe a raven is a little bigger in size, it does have a black beak so i'm not sure if it is a crow or raven. I'm guessing a crow from the looks of it.

I've had dead animals before but nothing like this one and right on the door step of my front porch, it's right on the grass though right next to the pavement. I know there is a meaning to everything and seeing this dead animal when i woke up this morning is a possible symbol or sign for me since i've been really looking for answers to alot of my questions which are coming but slowly.

I'm sorry if this is a little off topic and it's hard for me since i don't like seeing dead animals because of i love all animals.

Anyone have any thoughts or ideas about this syncronicity "

This kid needs to know the touch of a girl or a dude WHATEVER WORKS before he spontaneously combusts.

More brainwash

2009-04-10T18:41:57.689Z

http://saviorsofearth.ning.com/forum/topics/the-consciousness-experiment

April 10th...welcome to the nothing

2009-04-10T18:22:11.162Z

Someone wanna break out the hose and cool these folks down?

http://saviorsofearth.ning.com/forum/topics/my-post-today-on-blossoms-blog

What is your ORIGIN?

2009-04-07T01:41:44.506Z

Inspired by some posts on SOE and some here I've realized that what we need in this clan at this juncture is more backstory. We can't be powerful wizards and fly with ufos without a magical and elaborate path that prepared us for the endgame that is 2012.

So feel free to post any and all pertinent details of your past lives, planets visited, plethora of super beings channeled etc. You are also free to recognize common pasts with others here and mess with their backstory by suddenly remembering lives as enemies or soulmates and anything in between. Also you cannot negate another person's truth because we are all gods just fyi, so Personal Truth rule IS LIVE.

So... was anybody on Felatia C when they closed down the bath houses and banned public meetings of more than 4 people? I shudder when I think of the flesh...

good times

8:42-9:03

2009-03-26T02:58:29.492Z

http://saviorsofearth.ning.com/video/how-do-we-ascend-into-5th

Truer words ever spoken?

The beginning of the end of the Jewawan?

2009-03-22T16:22:13.509Z

Hey Folks, here's the latest from SOE. The 2nd in command has turned it seems and is communicating in all his dyslexic beauty...

http://saviorsofearth.ning.com/forum/topics/teachings-of-brads

"Teachings of brads.

* Posted by Clinton Doherty on March 22, 2009 at 8:48am in Members asking for your help or Information
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This is a comunity to bring joy and respect to everyone. Now with having a leader of a site. The leader has to repect the member as equal no matter what the believe system. I came here from 10/14/08 blogspot as many of the memebers did. I wished to talk about things of like minded individuels. But there is more to this site than what I wanted. There are many believes here. Many people that share there own feelings on things. Now having this site as a lightworker site. Well the intent by Brad was to do that. Which is good but there are people here that do not share the same opinions. Which is good. Learning through diversity. But now if the owner of a comunity site such as brad wishes to have teachings on a comunity site then it is like forcing all the people of the site to believe in a certain thing. As they are apart of the site if there is a owner, people look up to the owner. Now a owner or creator of a comunity site needs to be carefull of what is puplished out cause there is many people with different ideas and mindsets. You cannot feature your teachings if you are an owner cause that is putting up a hierochy system. Then people repel against the teachings if they do not believe in then or do not want to be apart of it. Now that is unfair for the comunity as a whole. The only way to fix this site. Soe and bring people back together is for brad to take of his teachings and put them on a seperete site all together. That way the people that believe and want to take part of the information will go there and the ones that dont..... DONT HAVE TO. Now that is the trick. What is your opionion on this. should we start a poll daddy to see what people want for this site. Rememeber this that there are 3 alternative sites now that came from SOE. That have been created because they do not wish to be apart of it anymore.

Profile of a Cult Leader

2009-03-20T18:33:59.053Z

I was going to post this following Brad's letters but I didn't want to flood it and sidetrack that blog post. Here is a little doc I found detailing the profile of a typical cult leader. How many of these points "resonate" with the personality and actions of Mr. Jewawan? I apologize if it or something similar has been posted before.

http://www.skeptictank.org/hs/cprofile.htm

From rkeller@netaxs.com Wed Dec 30 07:27:49 1998
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Subject: Profile of Cult Leaders
From: rkeller@netaxs.com (Rod Keller)
Date: 30 Dec 1998 15:27:49 GMT

I've been reading _Captive Hearts, Captive Minds_ by Madeleine Tobais and Janja Lalich. It's a 1994 book on cults and abusive relationships. Madeleine was in an eastern meditation cult, and Janja was in a political cult, so they do not focus on Scientology very much. But I was struck by how their profile of cult leaders matches LHR. They describe cult leaders as psychopaths. I've summarized chapter 5, Characteristics of a Cult Leader, below. Spelling errors are mine. You can order the book at http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0897931440/denniserlichdefeA

I think the specific comparisons to LRH are obvious, but I'm curious if former members have any personal experiences that match the profile, perhaps some stories that haven't already been published in the biographies or in affidavits.

1. Glibness/Superficial Charm

Glibness is a hallmark of psychopaths. They are able to use language effortlessly to beguile, confuse, and convince. They are captivating storytellers. They exude self-confidence and are able to spin a web that intrugues others and pulls them into the psychopath's life. Most of all, they are persuasive. Frequently they have the capacity to destroy their critics verbally or disarm them emotionally.

2. Manipulative and Conning

Cult leaders do not recognize the individuality or rights of others, which makes all self-serving behaviors permissible. The hallmark of the psychopath is the _psychopathic maneuver_, which is essentially interpersonal manipulation "based on charm. The manipulator appears to be helpful, charming, even ingratiating or seductive, but is covertly hostile, domineering... [The victim] is perceived as an aggressor, competitor, or merely an instrument to be used ... The manipulation inevitably becomes the end-all and is no longer qualified by the reality principle." In other words, there are no checks on the psychopath's behavior -- anything goes.

The psychopath divides the world into suckers, sinner, and himself. He discharges powerful feelings of terror and rage by dominating and humiliating his victims. He is particularly successful when, through an overlay of charm, he makes an ally of his victim -- a process sometimes described as emotional vampirism or emotional terrorism.

3. Grandiose Sense of Self

The cult leader enjoys tremendous feelings of entitlement. He believes everything is owed to him as a right. Preoccupied with his own fantasies, he must always be the center of attention. He presents himself as the "Ultimate One": enlightened, a vehicle of god, a genius, the leader of humankind, and sometimes the most humble of the humble. He has an insatiable need for adulation and attendance. His grandiosity may also be a defense against inner emptiness, depression, and a sense of insignificance. Paranoia often accompanies the grandiosity, reinforcing the isolation of the group and the need for protection against a perceived hostile environment. In this way, he creates an us-versus-them mentality.

4. Pathological Lying

Psychopaths lie coolly and easily, even when it is obvious they are being untruthful. It is almost impossible for them to be consistently truthful about either a major or minor issue. They lie for no apparent reason, even when it would be easier and safer to tell the truth. This is sometimes called "crazy lying". Confronting their lies may provoke an unpredictably intense rage or simply a Buddha-like smile.

Another form of lying common among cult leaders is known as _pseudologica fantastica_, an extension of pathological lying. Leaders tend to create a complex belief system, often about their own powers and abilities, in which they themselves sometimes get caught up. "It is often difficult to determine whether the lies are an actual delusional distortion of reality or are expressed with the conscious or unconscous intent to deceive."

These manipulators are rarely original thinkers. Plagerists and thieves, they seldom credit the true originators of ideas, often co-opting authorship. They are extremely convincing, forceful in the expression of their views, and talented at passing lie detector tests. For them, objective truth does not exist. The only "truth" is whatever will best achieve the outcome that meets their needs.

5. Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt

At the core of the psychopath is a deep-seated rage which is split off and repressed. Some researchers theorize that this is caused by feeling abandoned in infancy or early childhood. Whatever the emotional or psychological source, psychopaths see those around them as objects, targets, or opportunities, not people. They do not have friends, they have victims and accomplices -- and the latter frequently end as victims. For psychopaths the ends always justify the means. Thus there is no place for feelings of remorse, shame, or guilt. Cult leaders feel justified in all their actions since they consider themselves the ultimate moral arbiter. Nothing gets in their way.

6. Shallow Emotions

While they may display outbursts of emotion, more often than not they are putting on a calculated response to obtain a certain result. They rarely reveal a range of emotions, and what is seen is superficial at best, pretended at worst. Positive feelings of warmth, joy, love, and compassion are more feigned than experienced. They are unmoved by things that would upset the normal person, while outraged by insignificant matters. They are bystanders to the emotional life of others, perhaps envious and scornful of feelings they cannot have or understand. In the end, psychopaths are cold, with shallow emotions, living in a dark world of their own.

Hiding behind the "mask of sanity," the cult leader exposes feelings only insofar as they serve an ulterior motive. He can witness or order acts of utter brutality without experiencing a shred of emotion. He casts himself ina role of total control, which he plays to the hilt. What is most promised in cults -- peace, joy, enlightenment, and security -- are goals that are forever out of reach of the leader, and thus also the followers. Since the leader is not genuine, neither are his promises.

7. Incapacity for Love

As the "living embodiment of God's love," the leader is tragically flawed in being unable to either give or receive love. Love substitutes are given instead. The leader's tremendous need to be loved is accompanied by an equally strong disbelief in the love offered him by his followers; hence, the often unspeakably cruel and harsh testing of his devotees. Unconditional surrender is an absolute requirement.

8. Need for Stimulation

Thrill-seeking behaviors, often skirting the letter or spirit of the law, are common among psychopaths. Such behavior is sometimes justified as preparation for martyrdom: "I know I don't have long to live; therefore my time on this earth must be lived to the fullest." "Surely even I am entitled to have fun or sin a little." This type of behavior becomes more frequent as the leader deteriorates emotionally and psychologically -- a common occurrence.

Cult leaders live on the edge, constantly testing the beliefs of their followers, often with increasingly bizarre behaviors, punishments, and rules. Other mechanisms of stimulation come in the form of unexpected, seemingly spontaneous outbursts, which usually take the form of verbal abuse and sometimes physical punishment. The psychopath has a cool indifference to things around him, yet his icy coldness can quickly turn into rage, vented on those around him.

9. Callousness/Lack of Empathy

Psychopaths readily take advantage of others, expressing utter contempt for anyone else's feelings. Someone in distress is not important to them. Although intelligent, perceptive, and quite good at sizing people up, they make no real connections with others. They use their "people skills" to exploit, abuse, and weild power. Psychopaths are unable to empathize with the pain of their victims.

10. Poor Behavioral Controls / Impulsive Nature

Like small children, many psychopaths have difficulty regulating their emotions. Adults who have temper tantrums are frightening to be around. Rage and abuse, alternating with token expressions of love and approval, produce an addictive cycle for both abuser and abused, as well as create a sense of hopelessness in the later.

The cult leader acts out with some regularity -- often privately, sometimes publicly -- usually to the embarassment and dismay of his followers and other observers. He may act out sexually, aggressively, or criminally, frequently with rage. Generally this aberrant behavior is a well-kept secret, known only to a few disciples. The others see only perfection.

These tendencies are related to the psychopath's need for stimulation and inability to tolerate frustration, anxiety, and depression. Often a leader's inconsistent behavior needs to be rationalized by either the leader or follower in order to maintain internal consistency. It is often regarded as divinely inspired and further separates the empowered from the powerless.

11. Early Behavior Problems / Juvinile Deliquency

Psychopaths frequently have a history of behavioral and academic difficulties. They often "get by" academically, conning other students and teachers. Encounters with juvinile authorities are frequent. Equally prevalent are difficulties in peer relationships and developing and keeping friends, marked control problems, and other aberrant behaviors such as stealing, fire setting, and cruelty to others.

12. Irresponsibility / Unreliability

Not concerned about the consequences of their behavior, psychopaths leave behind them the wreckage of others' lives and dreams. They may be totally oblivious or indifferent to the devestation they inflict on others, something which they regard as neigher their problem nor their responsibility.

Psychopaths rarely accept blame for their failures or mistakes. Scapegoating is common, blaming followers, those outside the group, a member's family, the government, Satan -- anyone and everyone but the leader. The blaming may follow a ritualized procedure such as a trial, "hot seat" denunciation, or public confession. Blame is a powerful reinforcer of passivity and obedience, producing guilt, shame, terror, and conformity in the followers.

13. Promiscuous Sexual Behavior / Infidelity

Promiscuity, child sexual abuse, polygamy, rape, and sexual acting out of all sorts are frequently practiced by cult leaders. Conversely, there is often stringent sexual control of the followers through such tactics as enforced celibacy, arranged marriages, forced breakups and divorces, removal of children from their parents, forced abortions or mandated births. For psychopaths, sex is primarily a control and power issue.

Marital fidelity is rare in the psychopath's life. There are usually countless reports of extramarital affairs and sexual predation upon adult and child members of both sexes. The sexual behavior of the leader may be kept hidden from all but the inner circle or may be part of accepted group sexual practices. In any case, due to the power imbalance between leader and followers, sexual contact is never truly consensual and is likely to have damaging consequences for the follower.

14. Lack of Realistic Life Plan / Parasitic Lifestyle

The psychopath tends to move around a lot, making countless efforts at "starting over" while seeking out fertile new ground to exploit. One day may appear as a rock musician, the next as a messiah; one day a used car salesman, the next the founder of a mass self-transformation program; one day a college professor, the next the new "Lenin" bringing revolution to America.

The flip side of this erratic life planning is the all-encompassing promise for the future that the cult leader makes to his followers. Many groups claim as their goal world domination or salvation at the Apocalypse. The leader is the first to proclaim the utopian nature of the group, which is usually simply another justification for irrational behavior and stringent controls.

The leader's sense of entitlement is often demonstrated by the contrast between his luxurious lifestyle and the impoverishment of his followers. Most cult leaders are supported by gifts and donations from their followers, who may be pressured to turn over much of their income and worldly possessions to the group. Slavery, enforced prostitution, and a variety of illegal acts for the benefit of the leader are common in a cult milieu.

Psychopaths also tend to be preoccupied with their own health while remaining totally indifferent to the suffering of others. They may complain of being "burned out" due to the burden of "caring for" their followers, sometimes stating they do not have long to live, instilling fear and guilt in their devotees and encouraging further servitude. They are highly sensitive to their own pain and tend to be hypercondriacs, which often conflicts with their public image of superhuman self-control and healing abilities. According to them, the illnesses they _don't_ get are due to their powers, while the ones they _do_ get are caused by their "compassion" in taking on their disciples' karma or solving the group's problems. This of course is another guru trick.

15. Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility

Cult leaders change their image and that of the group as needed to avoid prosecution and litigation, to increase their income, and to recruit a range of members. Cult leaders have an innate ability to attract followers who have the skills and connections that the leaders lack. The longevity of the group is dependent on the willingness of the leadership to adapt as needed and preserve the group. Frequently, when illegal or immoral activities are exposed to the public, the cult leader will relocate, sometimes taking followers with him. He wll keep a low profile, only to resurface later with a new name, a new front group, and perhaps a new twist on the scam.

Effort towards a rebuttal of the notion of "personal truth"

2009-03-17T17:58:13.283Z

Hola

I'm starting this thread and would invite others to participate if they wish to do so. I've seen the notion of "personal truth" being tossed around as fit anywhere argument by the quack channelers and other people whenever confronted with facts or conflicting perspectives. Unless I'm mistaken, I think Blossom Goodchild used this excuse when the GFOL didn't show as well. I would like to see some sort of rebuttal of this idea that would demonstrate clearly how it makes no sense, particularly in the way that it is understood within the confines of this "movement".

I've been looking around for past uses of the idea and would like other people's take on it. Some questions that I have:

- Can we clearly define "personal truth"?
- What's the difference between "faith" and "personal truth"
- How does "personal truth" fit in with the SOE-type worldview?
- What is the logical function of this notion?
- In what circumstances is "personal truth" used and how?
- Is it possible to negate the idea of "personal truth" without hitting the "faith" impasse?

I welcome any more questions that could be asked to help break this down. If you agree with the idea of "personal truth" and the way it's used then you are welcome to discuss it here as well. If this discussion works then maybe we can have a crack at "duality" and "resonate" or any one of the other murky notions that are of popular employ with these people.