Earthlings, Chiaroscuros and Sfumatos, United to Save the Saviors
CHANNELING: FICTION OR REALITY?
OK, so here is Clinton’s channeling transcript that he wanted up for discussion. After thinking about it for a while, I have decided to put it on a new thread, instead of keeping it in the original blog post I made, for two main reasons:
The original blog post of mine was a direct answer to Clinton posting that video of Bashar about “Denial And Separation”.
Despite my commentary on it, Clinton hasn’t responded to it but — no offense meant, Clint —, he never really addressed any other posts of mine (like the one on the anti-duality rule) anyway. So I guess I’ll never hear what Clinton has to say, if anything.
Instead of straight answering, Clinton offered to do this channeling so then we could possibly understand the nature of it, which to me, is another subject, hence this new thread.
I have been wondering for a while how to redact this in order it is as smooth as possible a reading, so I have decided to split the channeling transcript in multiple parts (in bold text, and numbered), my commentary appearing underneath each part.
It will be easier then, if anyone wishes to comment on whatever part.
1) There are frequencies being thrown through the channeler that help him understand who is coming through.
Now, as channelers are able to channel information, anything, any frequency, it is up to them to make sure it is the right frequency they are channeling. For their soul knows what they are channeling.
If it is what you call thought form, the soul KNOWS.
If it is another soul, the soul KNOWS.
If it is collective consciousness, the soul KNOWS.
It is all about soul agreements.
From this, one can say that channelers can receive any information and they are the only ones able to KNOW whether it is valid/reliable or not. I imagine that it is with long practice that such info can be apprehended, which is why, being new to it, you got confused when Nancy once put you in discomfort, using the nickname “Steve” on SoE.
This said, 2 things need clearing up here:
A) You (general lightworkers “you”) keep referring to “thought forms”, which I understand being sort of mind interference — the channeler’s own thoughts/feelings projection, if I may say.
Now, that is a new definition to me because, thought forms, as I always understood it, are also known as tulpas, from Tibetan mysticism and have nothing to do with what you mean. Inventing terms seems to be quite a trend on SOE and I have nothing against it, but then, maybe a glossary might be a good idea?!
B) Define “soul agreements”. I still take it that a channeler’s soul can be certain he is getting information from whatever higher being when in fact he’s just fooling himself, only speaking out his own thoughts and concepts.
2) It does not matter if the information is good intentional or not.
It is about the experience.
It is about learning.
It is about opening up to your awareness into new attributes of what you already know.
It is about expansion.
It is about knowledge of the infinite.
It is about YOU as a whole.
This doesn’t make any sense at all, I’m afraid. If it doesn’t matter whether the info is good or not, valid or not, how can it be about “knowledge of the infinite”? How can it be about learning and opening up to one’s own awareness if it doesn’t matter in the first place if it is totally made-up bullshit?
Does it mean it’s just about “experiencing”, like: Hey, I am channeling, I end up with this or that info: cool, I am happy with myself, I can channel, it works!?
To me, in pure honesty, this sounds a lot like those “mass meditation” sessions: global poverty, haarp, “lifting the veil” and the likes… Very nice intention indeed, but then what? Then people feel good about themselves: they have done do much good to the world just by sitting on their butts. They have seen colors, floated in space while meditating. Very cool. How does that affected their environment in any way? We never were posted about it. Maybe just because it did not change anything at all. I call it Emoto syndrome, coupled with just a twisted dose of self-importance. But do we really want to go tread that ego question…? Maybe in another thread.
3) So, with that understanding, you wish to understand are you aware of that channelers that often channel information that is unreliable?
YES WE ARE. We are very aware. And we know. And it does not matter to us.
That one cracked me up, really. Sounds a lot like someone we both know, when pointed to numerous obvious fake information or “revelations”: “Hey! It’s your truth, I don’t care what you think.”
Are you actually saying that so-called high evolved beings, souls, whatever you call them, are actually telling: “Hey! Yes, we are aware that a lot of bullshit is spoken and we don’t give a shit about it.” LOL Priceless!
Now that’s very evolved and not at all ego-based. Oh but wait, it CAN’T be ego-based since it emanates from HIGHER dimensional beings that are beyond ego and duality...
Could it be… Could it just be a channeler’s “thought form” saying that? *wink*
I guess if that’s so, it really doesn’t matter, because that one is protected by the second amendment above, stipulating that it’s just about experience and who cares if the info is valid or not.
Very smart.
4) Your earthly consciousness has to raise and understand and flow and unite and disunite, and separate and flow and unite and disrelate and flow and unite and disrelate to each other in order to bring relation in the wholeness that everything is.
If only for the form — again, no offense meant —, that one also sounds pretty earthling to me. I haven’t found “disrelate” in any dictionary. Though I grasp the notion, to me, it just shows a lack of vocabulary — which is a very human trait and not something one could expect from any superior so-called higher being.
Now as for the tidal ballet of connecting… standby, I unite and disconnect, sounds like a pretty happy mindless bee to me…
Sounds like a big “Yea, been there, done that: I channel Arcturians and I find them cool, GFOL are shitheads though, but yea, I’m highly evolved, I tap into anything that is and I am omniscient”.
5) The human race fights on petty things. It’s all petty things.
If they are fighting on pettiness, it is not gonna make any difference if any channelers are bringing an unreliable information to the whole or not. It does not matter.
That’s a pretty big statement: “it’s all petty things”.
If that’s so, then, how total wankers those high beings are, really. Why bother with a race of petty people? LOL
Well, at least it allows channelers to speak any bull they like, for it just does not matter: it’s all petty things.
6) The thing is if there is this information it gives the lower consciousness to relate to the channeler.
If the channel medium was of truth all the time it would only relate to a certain truth vibrational consciousness that you have here on Earth.
I might be totally brainless, but this doesn’t make any sense at all: I won’t even comment on it.
7) So, that is why there is the Blossom Goodchild, that is why there is the Global Federation of Light, that is why there is Saint Germain, that is why there are a lot, a lot of thought form energies getting channeled by mediums that is not hundred percent truth BUT does contain aspects of themselves coming through that medium as well.
So, with this new information you can understand that it is needed for the people that do not like channeling, do not like these mediums, to take part in a channelers medium because it vibrates with their frequency and it allows them to expand in their own pace, not going in the group.
In clear this says that Goodchild, McNamara, etc are just channeling bullshit — namely they’re just projecting their own thoughts and hopes and concerns, with maybe a couple grains of salty true truth.
First, the “Global Federation of Light” cracked me up: if that isn’t an Earthly slip, then I’m Joan of Arc, and behold, I am coming soon! :)
Second, I truly think that these people: Goodchild, Bashar, Quinsey and the likes are just obsessed people who desperately need to believe in something “higher”, not recognizing themselves in any of the major belief systems and finding themselves more comfortable with a 21st century version of it, more high tech. By that, I mean devotees to the trendy Kabbalah Center for example are the ones with VCR’s and cassette tapes players, when our UFO-friendly channelers are the Blue-Ray, iPods type.
“New information”??? Well, thank you, Orin for pointing out that this whole channeling thing is just a more contemporary version — far less organized, though —, of ancient “prophets” who managed to breed worms in people’s heads for centuries, exploiting on their fears, hopes and gullibility. I might not be a high-evolved being as you are, dear Orin, but I think I already had a hunch of that.
Now where it gets weird is — as I understand it —, if I don’t “like” (maybe “resonate” would have been more appropriate here?) channelers, mediums and their “knowledge of the infinite”, I am supposed to “take part” in their game (even by criticizing them) as it allows me to “expand at my own pace” — I assume that means learn —, without being part of their “group”??? WTF!
8) Alright. If you are aware of this, how is anybody supposed to believe in what channelers are saying?
They are not. That is the point.
That is what has been pointed out before.
It is not for anybody to TRY supposed to believe. It is not about that.
It is about bringing the soul into new (*) awareness, new place, new understandings. Bringing the soul together with other souls to experience something that is needed for that soul in this time reality.
There! The free will stance! I am not supposed to believe what channelers say. It’s not at all about believing them, it is about elevating myself to their awareness, open my mind and self to new possibilities, like for example that there is no God, but that we were seeded on this planet by aliens, that Jesus was an ET and pyramids were not built by hordes of slaves perishing to the megalomania of some ancient dictator, but beamed by highly sophisticated lightships.
I am not even supposed to believe that, but just to keep it in a corner of my little 3D brain as a possibility as it is a valuable piece of information for my soul evolution “in this time reality”.
Well, in this time reality, I just don’t buy anything emanating from the channelers, nor do I buy anything from the space family saga.
Why can’t I just leave the people who buy into it alone, then? That’s gonna be your question.
Well, first, because I am very interested in my fellow earthling neighbor, mind you. Even if he doesn’t think as I do. At least, I have hope we can discuss and exchange views, grow from it, or just have a good quality time.
Then, because I am open minded enough to have that sort of relationship with my earthly neighbor — and I am fascinated by beliefs systems and how they dramatically impact on people’s life and behavior —, but it seems my earthly neighbor, very often cuts off communication or just ignores my own views or thoughts, not even bothering concerning himself with it, because those views and thoughts are obviously too “lower consciousness” for him. So much for love and oneness, I guess. So much for being open. :)
(*) [ NFTR: I have written “new” here because that’s what you meant, Clinton, but I swear you say “nuke” and I nearly pissed my pants : “nuke awareness” lol — that one was delicious. ]
9) IF, IF, IF, IF, IF you were honored higher dimensional platform where truth existed, then truth would exist. BUT the platform that’s you play truth does not exist. EVER!
Does that mean if I ever was lucky enough to really be omniscient — be godlike —, then only would I be able to speak about truth? As for now, being just a petty little human, I just have a right to shut the f*** up because I’m so un-evolved there is NO truth in my limited brainless environment?
10) There is always, always aspects of play, of misinformation to bring wholeness and unity once again.
It cannot exist because it ISN’T.
It is not there.
The truth is not there you’re all BLINDED from the truth.
Every day you are blinded from the truth by media, by your friends, by your parents by every single person you play with.
IT IS NOT TRUTH!
It is an illusion.
That one is really something, and quite outrageous, really. Beyond the first aspect of it — very cult-like, by the way, telling that friends, parents, every single soul we interact with is just an illusion is nothing but PURE MADNESS.
As for the “media” question: apart from an obsessive mind, lost in the volutes of perpetual paranoid conspiracy theories, validating any of its twisted foolish views on “the big picture”, I sadly see no other truth in it.
If this is not fanaticism and being BLINDED by absurdity, then I am not even existing writing to you right now, Clinton. That is just an illusion, I am not even here trying to make some sense out of all this insanity.
After all, maybe Orin is right: I do not even exist and that’s why you cannot even answer me when I post something asking you to reply: you just do not see me, since I am not even there, right?
11) So with that understanding I leave you with this:
Love to you, appreciate what you have, allow yourself to be guided with your soul because that is your inner truth, that is your key to understanding yourself, your truth. It is key.
So allow that understanding now and be present and be humble.
I think you might want to possibly try and learn a little from that one, Clint. Try to appreciate what you have, cherish it without considering it as pure illusions, and have the decency of tapping into humility too, allowing your mistakes and wrong-doings.
12) Allow the other channelers to bring in the information, OK?
It is not disharmonizing anything.
See it as an allowance for other people to learn that in certain frequency bandwidth.
So, much love to you, peace be with you and good luck on your earthly journeys.
Is that like a voice from outer space saying “Hey guys, try not to be so racist, will ya, we’re not conflicting anything. We just say we have the truth, you are all blind. Be open but only within our frame. Question anything you want, but know we are absolutely right, and if you can’t take it, just go fuck yourselves, you’re just too low on the evolution scale.”
I allow anyone to claim to channel, and I also allow that I have a right to question about it, have an opinion about it and speak it out, discuss it.
Now if that is too much to take for higher beings and channelers alike, because they only can take praise, no wonder some agitated frustrated man placates rules of anti-duality, anti-this and anti-that, which only close the doors to being open-minded, reducing everyone’s right to think for themselves to a carefully exclusive thought pattern, guarded by rules as thick as high-security prisons.
Not a single one of you has even ever taken into consideration that you all might just be completely wrong about everything. You’re all infused with such a bold pride and close minded frame of mind that it is often quite scary, really. Yet, you keep hammering people like me with “be open”, “allow” when you yourselves actually just turn away from being open and allowing. Isn’t that quite funny?
In the end, I honestly think you’ve tried your best to explain how you experience channeling yourself, and I thank you for that. Despite the slips and glitches, it is interesting to see your picture of it. But as for its content, to me, it’s not even far-fetched, it’s just filled with quite an emptiness, reminiscent of a mishmash of post 60’s psychedelic so-called knowledge, tapped into acid trips and magic mushrooms hitting the sci-fi novel on the shelf.
To me, all this just shows how desperate human beings can be, not being able — because of uncontrollable fears and frustrations they find an answer into beliefs systems —, to enjoy their lives for what they are, being thankful to actually have one instead of dying from Aids in Africa, or being born in some mexican favellas.
Tags: belief, channeling, clinton, evolution, truth
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Permalink Reply by DeusEx on -
Two snaps and a twist! I don't think I can add anything to what you've already said other than where the fuck to these guys get their names from? Orin...Odin...Adronis...Adonis LOL WTF.
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Permalink Reply by ParadigmShift on -
clinton meduim of light said:Thanks Idom... I thank you for spending time on this and expressing what you feel. I will be giving all my channelings to you guys for you to go through it and see what it is you feel about whats coming through.
It's very generous of you to offer your material to us and you're welcome to do so, but I sense people will get tired deducing that it's BS and replying to it thoughtfully...rather than just eventually ignoring it. I hope you don't end up construing that as "see, they refuse to even listen to the message! they're closed minded!". Because we have listened to what you have to say, some with an open mind, but an open mind does not mean a pushover suggestible one.
To some of us, the message of "oneness, love, and truth" is a great concept which you immediately contradict by the disingenuous means you use to promote the very idea. When you realize that there are plenty of HONEST people out there promoting the same message, channelers become irrelevant because "oneness, love and truth" are a human concept. We KNOW it's good and we don't need aliens to tell us this. So again, when people stop speaking their mind on your good-intentioned charades, at least acknowledge that we gave it a shot and that you just weren't able to sell it. Don't blame us, blame your presentation.
(before you start going on about how "lol but no one is trying to sell you anything", please note that it's an expression of speech that isn't meant to be taken literally. I already know by your conversational style you'd come up with some lame response like that to make it look like I'm accusing you of something I'm not)
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Permalink Reply by LeavingSOE on -
It is frivolous to request one's point of view without having the willingness to address questions raised. It would be more fulfilling for all participants of the discussion if the person who originated the discussion responded. Are you willing to address the questions that people ask and respond to the opinions expressed before posting another channeling?
clinton meduim of light said:Thats cool. Yeah well I am telling you now I wont say that "I hope you don't end up construing that as "see, they refuse to even listen to the message! they're closed minded!". So dont worry about that. If you dont wanna listen dont. But its cool getting your guys points of view.
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Permalink Reply by ilikepies on -
No Clinton it is you, I know it, and I'm pretty sure you know it.
I couldnt give two shits about how good the content of the channeling is, I'm sure there's plenty good points made in channeling the thing is they're nothing new, nothing that wasnt already made by a human who actually used their brain to come up with these ideas before they were stolen and filtered through some bullshit huckster performance by attention whores like you and Brad. Honestly I personally find this stuff offensive, I mean here we are having to make points with our own brains, having to be accountable to the things we say because we know they came from us and you come along like some douchebag who claims he can talk to god acting like you have some higher source to say things. But you know what, if this shit actually did come from higher unknown source then there should be more to it than shit that can easily be thought up by humans. You want me to give a second of my time to your channelings get fucking Orin to tell us some shit we can't already know. Oh wait that's right, I tried something like that when I first joined SOE and you and Brad just acted like I was some moron who "didn't get it"
So you get to say all these things and then you don't have to be held accountable for them because your hiding behind your fake Orin. You can tell Orin to tell you for me that I think your a pussy
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Permalink Reply by iDom on -
That's very well, Clinton, but again, just like I asked you in my other posts on other subjects, what do YOU think of what I (we) say?
Far from being a "me vs. them" type of thing, don't tell me you have no opinion at all about anything and that what you think is only based upon channelings???
Now, honestly, I do not really see a point in just systematically review channelings.
I am not a channeler critic writing for the Astral Gazette (though I designed its cover haha)! I could as well dissect the same ever boring ramblings of Goodchild, Bashar, McNamara and the likes.
Candace Freize and Goodchild crossed the line once, instilling one of their so-called channelings with concrete piece of information, in the form of a date predicting an event. Both looked like total fools. Goodchild predicted the massive lightship, and Freize warned Californians they should abandon everything for California would sink in the ocean last summer. *rolls eyes*
Do you see why channelings are always referring to abstract concepts that do not have any direct relation to anyone, other than gratifying the channeler's ego, and being some kind of astral lube to the people thinking their are being so spiritual stroking in to it?
That's what I call astral wanking, really. Look, mom: NO HANDS!
If you would check on Derren Brown, for example, you would see his own "channelings". Those are far more valuable actually, because despite they are clearly announced as FAKE in the first place, he manages to just baffle people because he tells them about their life and not about supra-beings or other Arcturian Hollywood chewing gum.
Brown's "channelings" follow the vein of the spiritism sceances that dragged so many people to the occult.
Of course his performance is just a performance, he says it himself. Yet he is able with tricks and acute psychological/suggestion skills to put out a far more brilliant show than any so-called "true" channeler/psychic would ever dream of.
Again it is fine if you want to believe in these "messages" as much as it is fine if you would come over tomorrow claiming the skies are indeed pink and not blue.
I would still see them as blue, as would everyone else.
Some people willing to look cool or craving so much to be on the enlightened train would even follow you, saying that yes, the skies REALLY are pink.
Do I exaggerate? Not at all, that's precisely what happened with the famous "New Moon", supposedly replaced overnight, remember? Apart from the mass majority of morons who never were aware of moon cycles, some are still insisting the moon is looking more luminescent, far more beautiful than before. WTF!!!
So, you or anyone can believe it if you please, BUT claiming it is REAL and some sort of ultimate spiritual truth is just complete ABSURDITY/MADNESS.
Since day one, even when I discussed with you on matters such as mental disorders (as regards to personal truth), you never ever really discussed it, never gave any opinion, always brandishing the condescending lightworker's motto: "Well, it's your truth, what can I say?".
To be perfectly clear, Clint, as suggested by ParadigShift here, I tend to think that you just present elements of what you believe in, without even be willing to discuss it.
You ask me (us) to do it without you (or anyone else with the same beliefs) discussing it. Any attempts to even have such conversations on SOE have been classified as "homeland security matter", either by being totally ignored, deleted when not simply leading to be banned because it was "bringing duality".
Shall I remind you that, oddly enough, the once announced meditationcures.com website, which was supposed to offer meditation cures for cancer, diabetes and such, has never come to fruition? Rather, after I posted a quite harsh (I admit) yet very clear message, Brad simply just deleted it, after asking ME why was I even posting on that thread? It is fortunately saved here on this site, to his great dismay actually. Because just as for channelings and anything about your beliefs, really, no one wants to be accountable for what one puts out, apparently.
Like I said before, that's the beauty of "personal truth": one cay say and claim anything, then remove it from public view when it raises too much embarrassment, and just "move on", whistling like "who? me?".
Gee! How am I even mentioning that meditationcures website again, it's sooooo long forgotten! We have evolved so much since then... Oui?
All this, Clinton, seriously lacks honesty, respect and decency — which I wouldn't find that irritating if it didn't come from people with an ever mouthful of such things as unconditional love, truth and light.
To me and I'm sure to everyone here, it is nothing less but the greatest insult to any of these concepts.
From all the channelings at SOE, yours, Brad's, but just considering SOE's: can you just point out one, just ONE piece of valuable information out of any of those? Just ONE.
By that, I mean just ONE piece of information that has actually brought, without a shadow of a doubt, light on whatever matter, or even announced something that could not possibly have been know by us humans other than through an other-worldy source. Just ONE.
Please do not refer me to the moon being replaced or Jupiter being ingnited because you know I'm gonna kick your butt!
So, thank you for your offer to give your channelings over here, but, at least for me, that won't be necessary unless they do contain a piece of valuable information. If it is to hear the same old junk that is mashed, swallowed and puked out for the last 25 years, thanks, but… no thanks. I'm sure you won't take offense.
I've always been very straight [kinda funny for someone like me to be straight, right?] and clear with you, you know it, and i'll stick to it if only out of respect for you. I just wish you still can at least grasp that, from out there beyond Pluto.
Damnas'te.
clinton meduim of light said:Thanks Idom... I thank you for spending time on this and expressing what you feel. I will be giving all my channelings to you guys for you to go through it and see what it is you feel about whats coming through.
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Permalink Reply by LeavingSOE on
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I feel like I'm beating my head against the wall. Nobody has asked you to leave. Once again, the universal question is what do YOU think? What do you think of Orin, what do you think of our impressions of Orin, etc?
clinton meduim of light said:For sure. Well thanks for your time. I wont post anymore up here.
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Permalink Reply by ilikepies on
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Clinton is a pussy just like Brad and blossom shitchild and every other fakeass channeler. He comes here saying some shit through his fakeass channeling like its gonna change all our minds than he dosent know how to defend himself against the arguments and questions we pose so he runs away. If he was REALLLY channeling he could just ask all this shit to his fakeass "ORIN" but in the end it all comes down to him to come up with his any response from him or Orin and he dosen't have the capacity to argue his lies in the face of logical truth so he runnsss awayyy.
Enjoy being a lying scamming pansy you south african douchebag, enjoy your life as a douchebag, send my regards to king of all douchebags brad
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Permalink Reply by ilikepies on
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God it's so funny seeing Clintons response to all this, what a sad scared little douche. It's like if someone were to respond to my posts all "your a negative asshole who swears to much" and i respond like "Omg that wasnt me writing those posts I was channeling Lord Frieza from dragonball z so any questions or complaints should be directed towards him"
Enjoy your failed moneymaking scamming ventures you pansy, I'm tired of your fake ass bullshit trying to act all evolved and cool in the face of our debilitatingly awesome logic, go cry in a corner you douche
sorry for my weirdly nonsensical double post im drunk right now, anyway I love you guys, peace
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Permalink Reply by ilikepies on
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bahhaa bring it on clinton it's easy to threaten people over the internet when your safe far away in south africa but if we're ever in the same place and you wanna fight I'd gladly accept.
I'm from iceland and thus have the ability to go into full viking bezerker mode and defeat anybody, you wanna punch me in the face go right ahead I'll fuckin eviscerate your pansy eczema infected ass you so called enlightened all being phony
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Permalink Reply by ilikepies on
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I'm 23 and I would destroy you
*edit*
Out of sexual respect for LSoe I'm gonna stop the talk of physical violence here, at least throughout all of this clinton has proved how much of an egoless all being he is
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Permalink Reply by ilikepies on
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well you score points for knowing about DBZ, I dont think i can speak my mind without consequences, thats what happens when you say shit and dont claim it comes from some channeled source, you can't hide behind some made up channeled being
I stand behind everytthing I've said and if you have some legitimate argument agianst it I'm glad to hear it
btw you seem to be posting on this site ALOT more than you are posting on SOE...perhaps you enjoy this
clinton meduim of light said:AHAHHAHA what ever dude. Ego what ever man standing my ground I have every right to ... you think you can speak your mind to any body with out consequences. Vageta hahaha what a laugh bring your anime shit into this just shows me how much of a pussy you are.
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