Reality vs Perception and Belief - Saviors of Saviors of Earth

Wonderfully put. I wish SOE...

2009-02-13T01:15:35.655Z

Wonderfully put. I wish SOE could see this post.

Simone said:

Yeah, maybe it's a matter of semantics, I kind of agree here with what you are saying and your clarification of it. It's really hard to describe in words isn't it?

It is really difficult to guide our perceptions and beliefs and it seems to me that as we gain new knowledge, we must constantly change our perceptions and beliefs. So we have to be constantly 'open' to new knowledge and not 'stuck' in one set of dogmas. This is really difficult for some people to do as one delves deeply into one belief system such as I did in the Catholic Church, because your brain is programmed to take all that information and form a coherent whole as you apply it in your life. But this can happen to anyone, not just a religious person. It really is like an obstacle course, but the guiding force should always be love and we have that guiding force built into us also. Not any one belief system has all the truth, but they all have some truths. With the situation with Brad, I felt like many were so 'against' him personally, and others were so 'for' him, but to me there seemed to be somewhere an explanation to what was happening that would make 'sense' and be somewhere in the middle ground. Having love on our side and concern for Brad's well-being, as well as love for the community we can discover what is going on by understanding both sides and not totally invalidating Brad's experiences... but realizing that 'something is happening here' and try to discover what that 'something' is. Is it 'really happening' or possibly misunderstood? I don't think we should ever 'invalidate' someone's personal experiences, because each person acts as a 'witness' to 'truth' and by listening to each person, we should try to discern what that actual truth is. Science helps, but isn't always the answer since we are both spiritual and physical beings. So anyway, yes, it is difficult and our guiding force should be Love and to try to find the 'middle ground'... or not even necessarily the 'middle', but just keep searching until what we perceive forms a coherence... yet always being ever open to modifying or re-evaluating our understanding as new information is presented. That's what I have learned through all of this, and I know I'm not perfect at doing this, but that is what my goal is to become better at it and a more loving person every day.

H.R. Pufnstuf said:
Interesting viewpoints, Simone :)

Personally, I don't think we create alternate realities. It is just reality affected by perception and belief. Trying to separate it out by calling it an alternate reality is a way of not accepting what reality really is.

I wanted to ask you if you can explain a bit more the last part about guiding your perception and beliefs. How would you know if your guided direction is right or wrong?

Simone said:
Great topic H.R.

here's what I think:

Reality
What you call reality is nothing more that what is created by the creator.

Perception
Perception is how you personally view the creation based on knowledge and experience and observation with your senses

Belief
Belief is the structure of your perceptions into a coherent meaningful pattern on which you choose to guide your path in life.

Also, as co-creators, you build upon the original creation with your perceptions and beliefs forming alternate realities to the original forms.

The goal is to guide your perceptions and beliefs to be united with the creator in pure thought and forms, manifesting your true God-given purpose to love and be a receptical of love.

Interesting viewpoints, Sim...

2009-02-12T19:31:54.327Z

Interesting viewpoints, Simone :)

Personally, I don't think we create alternate realities. It is just reality affected by perception and belief. Trying to separate it out by calling it an alternate reality is a way of not accepting what reality really is.

I wanted to ask you if you can explain a bit more the last part about guiding your perception and beliefs. How would you know if your guided direction is right or wrong?

Simone said:

Great topic H.R.

here's what I think:

Reality
What you call reality is nothing more that what is created by the creator.

Perception
Perception is how you personally view the creation based on knowledge and experience and observation with your senses

Belief
Belief is the structure of your perceptions into a coherent meaningful pattern on which you choose to guide your path in life.

Also, as co-creators, you build upon the original creation with your perceptions and beliefs forming alternate realities to the original forms.

The goal is to guide your perceptions and beliefs to be united with the creator in pure thought and forms, manifesting your true God-given purpose to love and be a receptical of love.

lol! Danny said:"FUCK REAL...

2009-02-11T19:50:57.516Z

lol!

Danny said:

"FUCK REALITY."

Brad J. Johnson

"FUCK REALITY." Brad J. Jo...

2009-02-11T10:08:38.328Z

"FUCK REALITY."

Brad J. Johnson

Nice quote, Patrick. Patri...

2009-02-11T08:13:55.875Z

Nice quote, Patrick.

Patrick said:

"REALITY is that which even when you stop believing in it, DOESN'T GO AWAY."

Philip K. Dick

No problem. I was going to ...

2009-02-11T08:12:36.042Z

No problem. I was going to delete it for you, but I didn't want to be accused of censorship lol.

Apocolypstick said:

oops sorry about the double post there!!

oops sorry about the double...

2009-02-11T08:09:16.856Z

oops sorry about the double post there!!

Here is my view on Percepti...

2009-02-11T04:11:15.138Z

Here is my view on Perception/Reality/Belief.

I'm a single mother of two children. I have never been legally married. This is my reality. My particular religious persuasions allow me to believe that I have done nothing wrong having two children "out of wedlock" and leaving my partner for treating me like a dirty dishrag. ssqMy point of view regarding this reality (my perception) is one of freedom and opportunity. I see challenges, of course, any parent does. However I do not see my decisions bringing me strife and loneliness.

To others my reality is horrific because their beliefs have skewed their perception of the world. For some people my being a single, unmarried mother is the worst kind of person. I am "used" and "dirty". To these people, who believe that women are only of value as breeders and housemakers I have sinned and need to be "saved". They see only hardship in my future because of my foolish actions.

So there it is... EXACT same realities with two entirely different perceptions on it.

Here is my view on Percepti...

2009-02-11T04:10:43.507Z

Have you looked at the Phen...

2009-02-11T03:23:36.210Z

Have you looked at the Phenomenology of the Mind by Hegel?

Skywalker, you would really like the Parable of the Cave