2009-08-07T02:32:58Z http://saviorsofsaviorsofearth.ning.com/forum/topics/tony-protector-of-the?groupUrl=discussionswithsoeadmin&commentId=2827019%3AComment%3A15082&x=1%232827019Comment15082&feed=yes&xn_auth=no tag:saviorsofsaviorsofearth.ning.com,2009-05-14:2827019:Comment:15595 2009-05-14T19:18:34.388Z DeusEx

One more thing, Tony. You keep saying members can leave and I imagine you of all people would understand how difficult it would be to leave due to the relationships that have been forged. Yet another example of group dynamics that I mentioned before.

One more thing, Tony. You keep saying members can leave and I imagine you of all people would understand how difficult it would be to leave due to the relationships that have been forged. Yet another example of group dynamics that I mentioned before. tag:saviorsofsaviorsofearth.ning.com,2009-05-14:2827019:Comment:15589 2009-05-14T19:10:35.121Z DeusEx

Tony, I understood the mistake and it was good you admitted it, but that it was a cock-up and move on. You should have taken responsibility for it and either corrected the mistake by letting the poll continue instead of deleting it (for the second time) or by removing yourself as Admin. Of course you would do no such thing. You confirmed the poll could not be fixed and I did the same when I wanted my poll (for my rule proposal) created. I honestly believed Brad would try to "fix" my poll himself…

Tony, I understood the mistake and it was good you admitted it, but that it was a cock-up and move on. You should have taken responsibility for it and either corrected the mistake by letting the poll continue instead of deleting it (for the second time) or by removing yourself as Admin. Of course you would do no such thing. You confirmed the poll could not be fixed and I did the same when I wanted my poll (for my rule proposal) created. I honestly believed Brad would try to "fix" my poll himself so he could continue with his marketing scam. The question was not about having SOE shut down, you can clearly see people wanted it to remain but wanted Brad out. The screenshots provided above clearly show that.<br /> <br /> <cite>Tony said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://saviorsofsaviorsofearth.ning.com/forum/topics/tony-protector-of-the?groupUrl=discussionswithsoeadmin&amp;page=1&amp;commentId=2827019%3AComment%3A15563&amp;x=1#2827019Comment15563"><div>Little to say on this but the facts as stated to Deusex long ago. The reply where i state "this is all we nedd to know" was the one that set things in action. No cover up, just a genuine cock-up. If that is not believed then there is nothing i can do about that. I did not read all the replies, when i came to that one it was enough, why read the rest? that Brad changed his mind (again) after that post doesnt matter as at the time it was considered his final decision.<br/> <br/> And yes to this day i believe that poll was fixed, not that it mattered going by Brads last response which i thought was his last. Again the simpel question, if people want it shut then surely they just leave.</div> </blockquote> tag:saviorsofsaviorsofearth.ning.com,2009-05-12:2827019:Comment:15398 2009-05-12T23:33:54.013Z Jesus Cries

Clearly based on the documented actions of Tony he is not better than brad.

Clearly based on the documented actions of Tony he is not better than brad. tag:saviorsofsaviorsofearth.ning.com,2009-05-10:2827019:Comment:15114 2009-05-10T22:42:52.723Z DeusEx

Really nice screenshots, LS! I argued with Tony over the last comment about "That's all I need to know" which led Tony to admit that he had indeed made a mistake in understanding Brad's words. You can clearly see by the timestamp that Brad says there will be a site management change. Tony then chooses to reply to an earlier post of Brad's so he can remove the poll and close the topic. Of course, rather than do the right thing and go with what the members of SOE wanted and what Brad agreed to do,&hellip;

Really nice screenshots, LS! I argued with Tony over the last comment about "That's all I need to know" which led Tony to admit that he had indeed made a mistake in understanding Brad's words. You can clearly see by the timestamp that Brad says there will be a site management change. Tony then chooses to reply to an earlier post of Brad's so he can remove the poll and close the topic. Of course, rather than do the right thing and go with what the members of SOE wanted and what Brad agreed to do, a site management change, Tony covered up everything. To this day, his actions still boggle my mind. One would assume that a person would resign after such unethical behaviour. tag:saviorsofsaviorsofearth.ning.com,2009-05-10:2827019:Comment:15088 2009-05-10T20:54:31.282Z LeavingSOE

Last two screen shots attached.<br /> <br /> <cite>LeavingSOE said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://saviorsofsaviorsofearth.ning.com/group/discussionswithsoeadmin/forum/comment/show?id=2827019%3AComment%3A15082&amp;xn_out=json&amp;firstPage=1&amp;lastPage=1&amp;_=1241988738343&amp;xg_token=0a492457c7825c863e3598dbca4619ae#2827019Comment15082"><div>I don't have the screen shots of the updated poll, but I do have screenshots of the "What Should Become of Saviors of Earth" thread. Here are Brad's posts and Tony</div> </blockquote>&hellip;

Last two screen shots attached.<br /> <br /> <cite>LeavingSOE said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://saviorsofsaviorsofearth.ning.com/group/discussionswithsoeadmin/forum/comment/show?id=2827019%3AComment%3A15082&amp;xn_out=json&amp;firstPage=1&amp;lastPage=1&amp;_=1241988738343&amp;xg_token=0a492457c7825c863e3598dbca4619ae#2827019Comment15082"><div>I don't have the screen shots of the updated poll, but I do have screenshots of the "What Should Become of Saviors of Earth" thread. Here are Brad's posts and Tony's posts in order. I have also attached what's left of the thread (post account deletions and bans) so that you can see these posts in context.<br/> <br/> <p style="text-align: left;"><img src="http://api.ning.com/files/mg052irlQd0L5ATixj7Sfs9WBZxCLNuAeJGXr4lsc45Sk5gTRp7v-xq7ECjEnFmNeMIJGVTN7WgRsIEImNAcJaOvzgjjEwDS/whatshouldbecome1_cut.png" alt="" width="750" height="1044"/></p> <br/> <p style="text-align: left;"><img src="http://api.ning.com/files/mg052irlQd3GEOJt-dWGUDrMd-0kqETXsoYXSKk2YTzcAcgIx8FvBT5y*N64EnkKEE8jf3tBzvXM1o0wRnIE*HA6tcAbXicB/whatshouldbecome2_cut.png" alt="" width="753" height="408"/></p> <br/> <p style="text-align: left;"><img src="http://api.ning.com/files/mg052irlQd10CRZR83wSy0CU2i1mOalMvsMpD9R1HyiWwJHnKR2dEFTMA3gKadVfmIMe2s8K42HcwXXKzpQo5WwRhT2ucyRC/whatshouldbecome3_cut.png" alt="" width="955" height="261"/></p> <br/> <p style="text-align: left;"><img src="http://api.ning.com/files/mg052irlQd1GLq7F35FVjB2*ZLPwb1bKT-JzefrU3z5I2nGyU*UjPfzqe1pjttejjq0E-Vzmc7NB2dgz8XnMLJ0btsQnDyme/whatshouldbecome4_cut.png" alt="" width="761" height="945"/></p> <br/> <p style="text-align: left;"><img src="http://api.ning.com/files/mg052irlQd3e-OLMFvbvNG8FyTssoA-aYPj6aEq49aDGC8FmZdHQUat0uM9LKxi3GfAwd3biJ*DxLvxX2gl4eOM3PwYixcfQ/whatshouldbecome5_cut.png" alt="" width="955" height="1055"/></p> </div> </blockquote> tag:saviorsofsaviorsofearth.ning.com,2009-05-10:2827019:Comment:15082 2009-05-10T20:52:18.916Z LeavingSOE

I don't have the screen shots of the updated poll, but I do have screenshots of the "What Should Become of Saviors of Earth" thread. Here are Brad's posts and Tony's posts in order. I have also attached what's left of the thread (post account deletions and bans) so that you can see these posts in context.<br /> <br /> <p style="text-align: left;"></p>&hellip;

I don't have the screen shots of the updated poll, but I do have screenshots of the "What Should Become of Saviors of Earth" thread. Here are Brad's posts and Tony's posts in order. I have also attached what's left of the thread (post account deletions and bans) so that you can see these posts in context.<br /> <br /> <p style="text-align: left;"><img src="http://api.ning.com/files/mg052irlQd0L5ATixj7Sfs9WBZxCLNuAeJGXr4lsc45Sk5gTRp7v-xq7ECjEnFmNeMIJGVTN7WgRsIEImNAcJaOvzgjjEwDS/whatshouldbecome1_cut.png" alt="" width="750" height="1044"/></p> <br /> <p style="text-align: left;"><img src="http://api.ning.com/files/mg052irlQd3GEOJt-dWGUDrMd-0kqETXsoYXSKk2YTzcAcgIx8FvBT5y*N64EnkKEE8jf3tBzvXM1o0wRnIE*HA6tcAbXicB/whatshouldbecome2_cut.png" alt="" width="753" height="408"/></p> <br /> <p style="text-align: left;"><img src="http://api.ning.com/files/mg052irlQd10CRZR83wSy0CU2i1mOalMvsMpD9R1HyiWwJHnKR2dEFTMA3gKadVfmIMe2s8K42HcwXXKzpQo5WwRhT2ucyRC/whatshouldbecome3_cut.png" alt="" width="955" height="261"/></p> <br /> <p style="text-align: left;"><img src="http://api.ning.com/files/mg052irlQd1GLq7F35FVjB2*ZLPwb1bKT-JzefrU3z5I2nGyU*UjPfzqe1pjttejjq0E-Vzmc7NB2dgz8XnMLJ0btsQnDyme/whatshouldbecome4_cut.png" alt="" width="761" height="945"/></p> <br /> <p style="text-align: left;"><img src="http://api.ning.com/files/mg052irlQd3e-OLMFvbvNG8FyTssoA-aYPj6aEq49aDGC8FmZdHQUat0uM9LKxi3GfAwd3biJ*DxLvxX2gl4eOM3PwYixcfQ/whatshouldbecome5_cut.png" alt="" width="955" height="1055"/></p> tag:saviorsofsaviorsofearth.ning.com,2009-05-10:2827019:Comment:15053 2009-05-10T19:58:06.385Z DeusEx

Unfortunately, I believe all related posts were deleted by Tony. I did not manage to screenshot the newer poll because I figured it would last longer than a few hours. The vote was a similar percentage with the majority of people voting to have Brad give up SOE. We here at SOSOE figured he wouldn't, but this was where Tony showed his true colors by fixing everything in Brad's favor.<br /> <br /> <cite>Linda said:</cite>&hellip;

Unfortunately, I believe all related posts were deleted by Tony. I did not manage to screenshot the newer poll because I figured it would last longer than a few hours. The vote was a similar percentage with the majority of people voting to have Brad give up SOE. We here at SOSOE figured he wouldn't, but this was where Tony showed his true colors by fixing everything in Brad's favor.<br /> <br /> <cite>Linda said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://saviorsofsaviorsofearth.ning.com/forum/topics/tony-protector-of-the?groupUrl=discussionswithsoeadmin&amp;#2827019Comment15029"><div>The post I mean is AFTER the post in the link where he says he WILL turn it over to others.<br/> <br/> <cite>Linda said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://saviorsofsaviorsofearth.ning.com/forum/topics/tony-protector-of-the?groupUrl=discussionswithsoeadmin&amp;#2827019Comment15026"><div>Good one, Deus... I was very surprised at the circumstances surrounding that poll... the outcome was very clear, then it was gone and another one appeared... if I remember correctly there was some post from Brad saying he would never "give SoE to someone else" or something similar... I can't go over to SoE for obvious reasons LOL and find the post I mean, but I'm sure other's here will remember it to, maybe even saved a screenshot of it?... that would be nice ;-)</div> </blockquote> </div> </blockquote> tag:saviorsofsaviorsofearth.ning.com,2009-05-10:2827019:Comment:15029 2009-05-10T15:05:22.419Z Linda

The post I mean is AFTER the post in the link where he says he WILL turn it over to others.<br /> <br /> <cite>Linda said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://saviorsofsaviorsofearth.ning.com/forum/topics/tony-protector-of-the?groupUrl=discussionswithsoeadmin&amp;#2827019Comment15026"><div>Good one, Deus... I was very surprised at the circumstances surrounding that poll... the outcome was very clear, then it was gone and another one appeared... if I remember correctly there was some post from Brad saying he woul</div> </blockquote>&hellip;

The post I mean is AFTER the post in the link where he says he WILL turn it over to others.<br /> <br /> <cite>Linda said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://saviorsofsaviorsofearth.ning.com/forum/topics/tony-protector-of-the?groupUrl=discussionswithsoeadmin&amp;#2827019Comment15026"><div>Good one, Deus... I was very surprised at the circumstances surrounding that poll... the outcome was very clear, then it was gone and another one appeared... if I remember correctly there was some post from Brad saying he would never "give SoE to someone else" or something similar... I can't go over to SoE for obvious reasons LOL and find the post I mean, but I'm sure other's here will remember it to, maybe even saved a screenshot of it?... that would be nice ;-)</div> </blockquote> tag:saviorsofsaviorsofearth.ning.com,2009-05-10:2827019:Comment:15026 2009-05-10T14:48:37.412Z Linda

Good one, Deus... I was very surprised at the circumstances surrounding that poll... the outcome was very clear, then it was gone and another one appeared... if I remember correctly there was some post from Brad saying he would never "give SoE to someone else" or something similar... I can't go over to SoE for obvious reasons LOL and find the post I mean, but I'm sure other's here will remember it to, maybe even saved a screenshot of it?... that would be nice ;-)

Good one, Deus... I was very surprised at the circumstances surrounding that poll... the outcome was very clear, then it was gone and another one appeared... if I remember correctly there was some post from Brad saying he would never "give SoE to someone else" or something similar... I can't go over to SoE for obvious reasons LOL and find the post I mean, but I'm sure other's here will remember it to, maybe even saved a screenshot of it?... that would be nice ;-)