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alright lets start with this then

2009-05-27T02:58:09.539Z

Please stop feeding the troll.

There are a million ways he could have been honest and just answered questions in a direct way. He creates these little groups and makes these threads grow. Makes us chase him around for answers and not giving a thing.

Tony knows where we stand. He obviously has some beef with Ben. Not gonna lie this dutch on dutch hate is making me hawt, but I digress.

All I have to say to you Tony is at this point you need to dissociate yourself from Brad. Bottom line is you cannot deny that we here at SOSOE have a purpose in line with karma or "getting back what you put out". We are retribution for the evil shit Brad has pulled. You cannot deny this.

But hey here are 2 simple questions for you. They are yes or no questions. No referring back to your previous answers in addendum Q of your statements blabla. Just a simple YES or NO.

1. Has Brad Johnson ever acted in a way that would have a regular admin or member of SOE banned?

2. Has Brad Johnson ever acted in a way that you find goes against what you believe is moral lightworker behavior?

Laying 10 to 1 odds that if you answer this at all you go into a semantics spiral.

alright lets start with this then

2009-05-26T23:50:36.327Z

Here in the US, all people (especially doctors) are responsible for their words and their actions. There's a legal term called "negligence." It's the reason doctors carry malpractice insurance. Let's say a doctor tells their patient they have 2 weeks to live. The patient spends all his savings living his last days to the fullest. The doctor says, "Whoops, I was just kidding. I didn't think you were going to do THAT!" Pretty good chances that doctor is going to lose his license and be taken to court.

Unfortunately, it's much harder to prove damages against irresponsible spiritual leaders. Several people tried to take action against Jim Jones, for example. Others, more recently, have tried to take action against the Church of Scientology. The list goes on and on. The legal system in the US is a reactive legal system. So here we have an example of a spiritual leader who has committed "malpractice" in Canada. This is even more complicated because the majority of members of his spiritual community are from abroad. You make it sound so easy to just take someone to court if we think a crime has been committed. (Keep in mind that regardless of whether or not I think a "crime" has been committed, I most definitely think wrongs have been committed, and I thank my moral compass for that!) The sad truth is that it's going to take an SOE member committing suicide for there to be legal recourse. And personally, I would rather try to prevent the suicides than to build a case against Brad. But keep in mind, if it happens, I'll be the first to donate to the legal fund.

Tony said:

That wouldnt be fair to your cause as where i live i can get two or three or more "second opinions" and i always do.
Taking the statement as is, no ones fault, doctor's are human and make mistakes too. Same goes for my sister who only recently heared she was all "ok" only to be called back that a mistake was made and she needs serious attention. She didnt bitch about it, accepted the error and is now under going treatment which i pray takes hold. And yes she is a member at soe, and yes she is continuing with the treatment and anything offered by her doctors.

LeavingSOE said:
And again, I'm asking you not to complicate things with a third party. Let us simply talk about two individuals. That's all. Just two people, ok? One doing the talking, and one doing the listening. A doctor tells you that you have cancer. If the doctor is wrong or lied--you don't really have cancer, who's fault is it? The doctor's or yours?

Tony said:
quick reply to this as i am trying to find out what someone has done with the sign-up to soe.

If you really read what i said, i said to a thrid party i.e. me, you anyone confronted with that scenario. God asking the question and us hearing the answer without knowing what we know.

as for transmitter/receiver i believe the receiver cant trust the transmitter to hold that responsibilty and accountability, Hence that simpel example of cain and abel whitnessed by a third party. We know the stroy now, but if at the time we were just whitnesses to the question and answer then it would be obvious in hindsight that the lesson learned is that you can't trust the transmitter to hold that responsibility and accountability.

LeavingSOE said:
Wha? Why did you pick the Cain and Abel story?!? God, all-knowing God, asked the question and already knew the answer. No discernment needed there... it's God after all. And God held Cain responsible for his action and his lie. (Sidetrack for a second, some suggest an additional moral of the story is, "YES! You are your brother's keeper and he yours!") So I really don't understand your example.

P.S. Don't complicate this by adding in a third-party. Let's stick to the simple topic of the transmitter and the receiver. My question to you was whether or not you believe the transmitter is responsible for the transmission. I believe the transmitter is responsible for the transmission; yes, the receiver is responsible for what they do with that transmission, but that doesn't exempt the transmitter from accountability. My impression is that you believe the receiver is responsible for interpreting (discerning?) the transmission. Unless I'm misunderstanding you, I think we've reached an impasse. You certainly aren't going to convince me that the receiver is fully accountable, and I won't convince you that discernment is a lousy excuse.

Tony said:
well how shall i put it, as with all information ever since day one, so lets take for example the well known cain and abel story

"where is your brother?", answer "i do not know where he is, i am not my brothers keeper"........"

Now to a third party there are two questions, is that the truth or is he lying.

Hence our advice: discern carefully what appears to be, yet make up your mind about nothing, rather continue to search, remain open to discovery, remain in that state of "I don't Know", for in that state you can not be closed to further learning, and you will remain open to discovery without pre-judging anything

At first glance going by the question and answer the first discernment feeling would normally be "maybe he doesnt know", so no mind made up yet as per the advice. Yet on further discovery (as the observer was open to it) he discovers the brother knew damn well where his brother was.

So even in this simpel example if it is true, then it just goes to show you just never know until you know for sure 100%. So follow the advice, BELIEVE NOTHING.

So you are stating that cain should take full responsibility and be truthful. Well the facts have proven time and time again (be it tv, newspapers, word of mouth, friends, family, neighbours, you name it) that PEOPLE DON'T or believe they are and ARE NOT. So you have to discern for yourself or through authorities or hope someone helps you. You accuse me of things yet all you are trying to do is crucify one person.

You know as well as me the chain of responsibility ranging from parents through local government to the individual. And as i have stated before, no one, yet all are welcome, have come forward to any admin with the complaints and accusations that are brought forward here at sosoe. If they do they will be helped to the full extent. As stated elsewhere there are currently police and social services involved in some matters when they came to our attention.

So if you believe what you believe then why isnt anyone here who is a victim of anything you accuse anyone of, not taking legal action, as is happening in cases behind the scenes here at soe for matters that are being investigated. Rather than cut/copy/paste anything you guys love to jump on and bitch about to fill your days. It just doesnt add up. And if all that bothers you are money making schemes by any member then guess what, there are millions in the world doing so.

LeavingSOE said:
Examine the content for its authenticity (for example, could a personal motive been consciously or subconsciously injected into the message, could the entity itself have injected inauthentic information, could there be negative repercussions if this message is taken seriously by its consumers, etc).

Going with your example, do you not think it wildly irresponsible of the originator of that message to have distributed the information to a trusting public without analysis to the point of smoking gun evidence or, minimally, a preface stating this information may or may not be true? The elected officials and a good deal of the public initially trusted the messenger and believed the message (as well they should -- we are are right to trust those who have the experience we lack). Personally, I think both in your example and in the case of channelers/mediums (including Brad), it is wildly irresponsible for a channeler/medium to distribute information they channel without serious reflection, analysis, and preface. In the case of the news, as you mentioned, there is a legal responsibility to be truthful. Hence such phrases as, "the alleged robber" versus "the robber." Please don't turn this into a conversation about whether or not the media can be trusted. That's not the point. The point is that they have a legal obligation to be truthful and responsible for their content, else they can face legal action.

I think we'll continue going around in circles on this, because your answer has been and continues to be one of forcing the discernment on the consumer rather than the producer. I'm completely unable to wrap my brain around that, especially consider the nature of a spiritual environment. I believe we are all students essentially, we should be able to have a reasonable level of trust in the teachers and experts around us, and those who are spreading a message (teachers or otherwise) should be held accountable for their words and actions. This is particularly important in the world of spirituality, because people are at their most vulnerable - in a seeking position. It is even more important at SOE, because you have young and impressionable members who don't realize that the concepts SOE broadcasts are the same recycled concepts from when we were infants. If they saw the original GFOL television broadcasts, for example, perhaps they would be better armed to discern for themselves. But, instead, they've chosen SOE for their spiritual needs. And those on that site who have positioned themselves as spiritual leaders (yes, being one of the few who can channel on-demand are a minority and can easily been seen as spiritual leaders) have a responsibility to ensure the work they are doing is as authentic as possible and as harmless as possible. DO NO HARM! I leave you with a recycled article that I posted before, because I find it relevant to this conversation.

Council on Spiritual Practices

Tony said:
examine the content for what exactly?
but whilst awaiting your answer i will say no. couldn't his analysis be wrong? It is up to those hearing/reading what they hear/read to discern for themselves what they wish to discern. Same with any news report or world leader speak, viewsers discern for themselves what is true or what is bullshit. A prime example being the WMD, how many sons/daughters/mothers/fathers would still be alive if the BS wasnt swallowed.

LeavingSOE said:
Let me get back to my original question. I asked if you believed Brad was channeling an external entity, and you stated you don't know. Irrespective of whether or not an external entity was responsible for the quoted channeling, do you think Brad has a responsibility to examine the content of his channelings before sharing the information with other individuals?

Tony said:
Let me check, it was so long ago. As i just stated it looked all jibberish to me.

here is the complete first post in that container. Preceding this were many attempts which lead to absolutely nothing (i think over a period of several weeks. Basically the procedure was eyes shut, meditation, fingers on keyboard with eyes shut. In this attempt something readable appeared on the screen after the session.

======
For myself I created a blog on my home page (under construction) describing step by step how i came to where i am now. After several attempts at channeling (with great help from Brenda and sources unknown) this came out.

.......
know this , for this is now. it is not . for it is without doubt that that which i speak of is meant for someone. They will discover in their own good time. Force not, want not all will come in due time. For thats the way it is and always will be . Search not , seek not.. All will be revealed. Riddles, yes? no? it is. For that which is pure, demands, not only gives. That nourishes that within, that always was. rejoice oh blessed one, Love is , love was love. Thirst, always for that is. be not afraid, all has happened all will happen. there is but one, all. you grow tired, until then.
i am .
.......

I have no idea what it is, that is what this container is for. I have only corrected major spelling mistakes and typing errors. The minor ones have been left alone. as has the rest of the message.
======

end of post in container.

LeavingSOE said:
Thanks for your reply.

When you tried your hand at channeling, did you channel things that were specific to you, or did you channel things that were specific to other people?

Tony said:
@lsoe will check back in a few hours for your reply or follow-on question(s).

alright lets start with this then

2009-05-26T23:46:42.847Z

Tony, you're really wasting my time now aren't you? How many times do I need to say unban my original SOE account? You are still unable to realize that perhaps Vaddix would have never even considered saying such things if he were led to believe the things he does. So your constant showing of his last sentence is worthless. Glad it helps you sleep at night though.

Tony said:

again overprising yourself deux, and once again you ignore vaddixs response "Sorry i just like to vent here. cuase people listen. Its more than what anyone else does for me". I will believe you tried to help him if you say you used your other account to help in the best possible way that you could.

My last post to Pies contains three simple options. Nothing complicated and basically nothing more needs saying. My concern goes out to the need of members at soe not the creator. The many thanks via the mail make it all worth the while. Now that i have been banned i have to go and sort that out, then i wish to get back to helping members where possible rather than sit here wasting time at a hate site on hate based posts. If any members at soe needs help then they know where to find me and they most certainly do so on many occasion.

As for members here at sosoe, again i say chose one or all three of the options mentioned in my last post to Pies. I am out of here. But even you guys wont be forgotten, keep an eye on the announcements at soe. I wont delete my account this time so if you guys chose option 3 over the other two options then you will have plenty of content to amuse yourselves with. Safe journey to you all. We are one.

DeusEx said:
Blinded by hate? Tony, you are so blinded by your own arrogance and hate that you refuse to even acknowledge all that we have tried to help SOE members with.

Tony said:
dont prize yourself deux its unbecoming. as stated many times there is contact behind the scenes as well as in front. The last contact was exactly that, the last contact. If you were not so blinded by hate you would have clearly read what he said "Sorry i just like to vent here. cuase people listen. Its more than what anyone else does for me".

So as you can see he has had and continues to have all the support people can muster.

DeusEx said:
Thanks again for contacting, Vaddix. It's a shame that it had to wait until we kept bugging you to do something about the situation...

Tony said:
well on the rare occasion that this is here is the latest mail from Vaddix, as stated no doubt a lot of people sent him advice.

From Vaddix to Tony
Sent 3 hours ago

Oh wow. I dont like this place. I really really dont. But i dont really think suicide is an option. actually i think im gonna delete my blog now, no sence in getting people worried. . Sure im not having a good time here like at all But i would never consider that. Im just hoping some aliens will pop down and steal me But thats not gonna happen so ill concentrate on escapeing in other means. Like astral or something.
My life goal is to make this place better in anyway i can. I just hate it the way it is right now. Im hear fpr a reason. I just wish i knew what it was and i wish somebody would give me a break really from the constant stress im under right now. Sorry i just like to vent here. cuase people listen. Its more than what anyone else does for me.
Thanks for the link and the concern, and thank the people who were concerned too since i don't know who they are. I dont think ill be needing it however anytime soon.
Vaddix

alright lets start with this then

2009-05-26T23:33:17.343Z

again overprising yourself deux, and once again you ignore vaddixs response "Sorry i just like to vent here. cuase people listen. Its more than what anyone else does for me". I will believe you tried to help him if you say you used your other account to help in the best possible way that you could.

My last post to Pies contains three simple options. Nothing complicated and basically nothing more needs saying. My concern goes out to the need of members at soe not the creator. The many thanks via the mail make it all worth the while. Now that i have been banned i have to go and sort that out, then i wish to get back to helping members where possible rather than sit here wasting time at a hate site on hate based posts. If any members at soe needs help then they know where to find me and they most certainly do so on many occasion.

As for members here at sosoe, again i say chose one or all three of the options mentioned in my last post to Pies. I am out of here. But even you guys wont be forgotten, keep an eye on the announcements at soe. I wont delete my account this time so if you guys chose option 3 over the other two options then you will have plenty of content to amuse yourselves with. Safe journey to you all. We are one.

DeusEx said:

Blinded by hate? Tony, you are so blinded by your own arrogance and hate that you refuse to even acknowledge all that we have tried to help SOE members with.

Tony said:
dont prize yourself deux its unbecoming. as stated many times there is contact behind the scenes as well as in front. The last contact was exactly that, the last contact. If you were not so blinded by hate you would have clearly read what he said "Sorry i just like to vent here. cuase people listen. Its more than what anyone else does for me".

So as you can see he has had and continues to have all the support people can muster.

DeusEx said:
Thanks again for contacting, Vaddix. It's a shame that it had to wait until we kept bugging you to do something about the situation...

Tony said:
well on the rare occasion that this is here is the latest mail from Vaddix, as stated no doubt a lot of people sent him advice.

From Vaddix to Tony
Sent 3 hours ago

Oh wow. I dont like this place. I really really dont. But i dont really think suicide is an option. actually i think im gonna delete my blog now, no sence in getting people worried. . Sure im not having a good time here like at all But i would never consider that. Im just hoping some aliens will pop down and steal me But thats not gonna happen so ill concentrate on escapeing in other means. Like astral or something.
My life goal is to make this place better in anyway i can. I just hate it the way it is right now. Im hear fpr a reason. I just wish i knew what it was and i wish somebody would give me a break really from the constant stress im under right now. Sorry i just like to vent here. cuase people listen. Its more than what anyone else does for me.
Thanks for the link and the concern, and thank the people who were concerned too since i don't know who they are. I dont think ill be needing it however anytime soon.
Vaddix

alright lets start with this then

2009-05-26T23:33:11.829Z

ok so my remark about how the site is invite only is somehow unfounded because I was supposed to assume that it was a non intentional thing and I'm somehow wrong or a moron for assuming that it was an intentional thing when the site became invite only
Seriously in those cases you just correct the person, if you weren't such a petty little piece of shit you'd realize most people would probably assume that being the case when they see the site like that, "your remarks are unfounded" fuck yes they are founded because thats what everyone would assume dipshit, sorry I didnt know immediately that basilis slipped on his keyboard while masterbating and accidently switched that on jeeze

btw i was just banned like 2 minutes ago for apparently posting a video I thought everyone on SOE would really enjoy, or maybe it was more my existance, but there you go, any attempt for me to create a group on SOE would be impossible because I am banned on site

p.s. your a jackass

alright lets start with this then

2009-05-26T23:25:07.267Z

That wouldnt be fair to your cause as where i live i can get two or three or more "second opinions" and i always do.
Taking the statement as is, no ones fault, doctor's are human and make mistakes too. Same goes for my sister who only recently heared she was all "ok" only to be called back that a mistake was made and she needs serious attention. She didnt bitch about it, accepted the error and is now under going treatment which i pray takes hold. And yes she is a member at soe, and yes she is continuing with the treatment and anything offered by her doctors.

LeavingSOE said:

And again, I'm asking you not to complicate things with a third party. Let us simply talk about two individuals. That's all. Just two people, ok? One doing the talking, and one doing the listening. A doctor tells you that you have cancer. If the doctor is wrong or lied--you don't really have cancer, who's fault is it? The doctor's or yours?

Tony said:
quick reply to this as i am trying to find out what someone has done with the sign-up to soe.

If you really read what i said, i said to a thrid party i.e. me, you anyone confronted with that scenario. God asking the question and us hearing the answer without knowing what we know.

as for transmitter/receiver i believe the receiver cant trust the transmitter to hold that responsibilty and accountability, Hence that simpel example of cain and abel whitnessed by a third party. We know the stroy now, but if at the time we were just whitnesses to the question and answer then it would be obvious in hindsight that the lesson learned is that you can't trust the transmitter to hold that responsibility and accountability.

LeavingSOE said:
Wha? Why did you pick the Cain and Abel story?!? God, all-knowing God, asked the question and already knew the answer. No discernment needed there... it's God after all. And God held Cain responsible for his action and his lie. (Sidetrack for a second, some suggest an additional moral of the story is, "YES! You are your brother's keeper and he yours!") So I really don't understand your example.

P.S. Don't complicate this by adding in a third-party. Let's stick to the simple topic of the transmitter and the receiver. My question to you was whether or not you believe the transmitter is responsible for the transmission. I believe the transmitter is responsible for the transmission; yes, the receiver is responsible for what they do with that transmission, but that doesn't exempt the transmitter from accountability. My impression is that you believe the receiver is responsible for interpreting (discerning?) the transmission. Unless I'm misunderstanding you, I think we've reached an impasse. You certainly aren't going to convince me that the receiver is fully accountable, and I won't convince you that discernment is a lousy excuse.

Tony said:
well how shall i put it, as with all information ever since day one, so lets take for example the well known cain and abel story

"where is your brother?", answer "i do not know where he is, i am not my brothers keeper"........"

Now to a third party there are two questions, is that the truth or is he lying.

Hence our advice: discern carefully what appears to be, yet make up your mind about nothing, rather continue to search, remain open to discovery, remain in that state of "I don't Know", for in that state you can not be closed to further learning, and you will remain open to discovery without pre-judging anything

At first glance going by the question and answer the first discernment feeling would normally be "maybe he doesnt know", so no mind made up yet as per the advice. Yet on further discovery (as the observer was open to it) he discovers the brother knew damn well where his brother was.

So even in this simpel example if it is true, then it just goes to show you just never know until you know for sure 100%. So follow the advice, BELIEVE NOTHING.

So you are stating that cain should take full responsibility and be truthful. Well the facts have proven time and time again (be it tv, newspapers, word of mouth, friends, family, neighbours, you name it) that PEOPLE DON'T or believe they are and ARE NOT. So you have to discern for yourself or through authorities or hope someone helps you. You accuse me of things yet all you are trying to do is crucify one person.

You know as well as me the chain of responsibility ranging from parents through local government to the individual. And as i have stated before, no one, yet all are welcome, have come forward to any admin with the complaints and accusations that are brought forward here at sosoe. If they do they will be helped to the full extent. As stated elsewhere there are currently police and social services involved in some matters when they came to our attention.

So if you believe what you believe then why isnt anyone here who is a victim of anything you accuse anyone of, not taking legal action, as is happening in cases behind the scenes here at soe for matters that are being investigated. Rather than cut/copy/paste anything you guys love to jump on and bitch about to fill your days. It just doesnt add up. And if all that bothers you are money making schemes by any member then guess what, there are millions in the world doing so.

LeavingSOE said:
Examine the content for its authenticity (for example, could a personal motive been consciously or subconsciously injected into the message, could the entity itself have injected inauthentic information, could there be negative repercussions if this message is taken seriously by its consumers, etc).

Going with your example, do you not think it wildly irresponsible of the originator of that message to have distributed the information to a trusting public without analysis to the point of smoking gun evidence or, minimally, a preface stating this information may or may not be true? The elected officials and a good deal of the public initially trusted the messenger and believed the message (as well they should -- we are are right to trust those who have the experience we lack). Personally, I think both in your example and in the case of channelers/mediums (including Brad), it is wildly irresponsible for a channeler/medium to distribute information they channel without serious reflection, analysis, and preface. In the case of the news, as you mentioned, there is a legal responsibility to be truthful. Hence such phrases as, "the alleged robber" versus "the robber." Please don't turn this into a conversation about whether or not the media can be trusted. That's not the point. The point is that they have a legal obligation to be truthful and responsible for their content, else they can face legal action.

I think we'll continue going around in circles on this, because your answer has been and continues to be one of forcing the discernment on the consumer rather than the producer. I'm completely unable to wrap my brain around that, especially consider the nature of a spiritual environment. I believe we are all students essentially, we should be able to have a reasonable level of trust in the teachers and experts around us, and those who are spreading a message (teachers or otherwise) should be held accountable for their words and actions. This is particularly important in the world of spirituality, because people are at their most vulnerable - in a seeking position. It is even more important at SOE, because you have young and impressionable members who don't realize that the concepts SOE broadcasts are the same recycled concepts from when we were infants. If they saw the original GFOL television broadcasts, for example, perhaps they would be better armed to discern for themselves. But, instead, they've chosen SOE for their spiritual needs. And those on that site who have positioned themselves as spiritual leaders (yes, being one of the few who can channel on-demand are a minority and can easily been seen as spiritual leaders) have a responsibility to ensure the work they are doing is as authentic as possible and as harmless as possible. DO NO HARM! I leave you with a recycled article that I posted before, because I find it relevant to this conversation.

Council on Spiritual Practices

Tony said:
examine the content for what exactly?
but whilst awaiting your answer i will say no. couldn't his analysis be wrong? It is up to those hearing/reading what they hear/read to discern for themselves what they wish to discern. Same with any news report or world leader speak, viewsers discern for themselves what is true or what is bullshit. A prime example being the WMD, how many sons/daughters/mothers/fathers would still be alive if the BS wasnt swallowed.

LeavingSOE said:
Let me get back to my original question. I asked if you believed Brad was channeling an external entity, and you stated you don't know. Irrespective of whether or not an external entity was responsible for the quoted channeling, do you think Brad has a responsibility to examine the content of his channelings before sharing the information with other individuals?

Tony said:
Let me check, it was so long ago. As i just stated it looked all jibberish to me.

here is the complete first post in that container. Preceding this were many attempts which lead to absolutely nothing (i think over a period of several weeks. Basically the procedure was eyes shut, meditation, fingers on keyboard with eyes shut. In this attempt something readable appeared on the screen after the session.

======
For myself I created a blog on my home page (under construction) describing step by step how i came to where i am now. After several attempts at channeling (with great help from Brenda and sources unknown) this came out.

.......
know this , for this is now. it is not . for it is without doubt that that which i speak of is meant for someone. They will discover in their own good time. Force not, want not all will come in due time. For thats the way it is and always will be . Search not , seek not.. All will be revealed. Riddles, yes? no? it is. For that which is pure, demands, not only gives. That nourishes that within, that always was. rejoice oh blessed one, Love is , love was love. Thirst, always for that is. be not afraid, all has happened all will happen. there is but one, all. you grow tired, until then.
i am .
.......

I have no idea what it is, that is what this container is for. I have only corrected major spelling mistakes and typing errors. The minor ones have been left alone. as has the rest of the message.
======

end of post in container.

LeavingSOE said:
Thanks for your reply.

When you tried your hand at channeling, did you channel things that were specific to you, or did you channel things that were specific to other people?

Tony said:
@lsoe will check back in a few hours for your reply or follow-on question(s).

alright lets start with this then

2009-05-26T23:22:53.847Z

Blinded by hate? Tony, you are so blinded by your own arrogance and hate that you refuse to even acknowledge all that we have tried to help SOE members with.

Tony said:

dont prize yourself deux its unbecoming. as stated many times there is contact behind the scenes as well as in front. The last contact was exactly that, the last contact. If you were not so blinded by hate you would have clearly read what he said "Sorry i just like to vent here. cuase people listen. Its more than what anyone else does for me".

So as you can see he has had and continues to have all the support people can muster.

DeusEx said:
Thanks again for contacting, Vaddix. It's a shame that it had to wait until we kept bugging you to do something about the situation...

Tony said:
well on the rare occasion that this is here is the latest mail from Vaddix, as stated no doubt a lot of people sent him advice.

From Vaddix to Tony
Sent 3 hours ago

Oh wow. I dont like this place. I really really dont. But i dont really think suicide is an option. actually i think im gonna delete my blog now, no sence in getting people worried. . Sure im not having a good time here like at all But i would never consider that. Im just hoping some aliens will pop down and steal me But thats not gonna happen so ill concentrate on escapeing in other means. Like astral or something.
My life goal is to make this place better in anyway i can. I just hate it the way it is right now. Im hear fpr a reason. I just wish i knew what it was and i wish somebody would give me a break really from the constant stress im under right now. Sorry i just like to vent here. cuase people listen. Its more than what anyone else does for me.
Thanks for the link and the concern, and thank the people who were concerned too since i don't know who they are. I dont think ill be needing it however anytime soon.
Vaddix

alright lets start with this then

2009-05-26T23:20:49.432Z

Let me connect the dots for you then pies. Look at the post where you stated the site is now a real cult site being invite only. All the time i had been here answering these posts, when i saw your message i had just switched back to soe to talk there. The site was indeed invite only. I couldnt get back in with a new account i had created. I then pointed out to you that your remark was once again unfounded regarding being invite only thus another reason to call it a cult. The invite only as i explained was a mistake probably caused by basilis or one of the admins changing options they shouldnt.

And for all you said about Brad, true or false, isnt even important. He owns the site, change is happening and will continue to happen. The site has outgrown any one or small group of members. It's evolving.

Bottom line is for any member here or at soe
- if you believe Brad is acting illegal, or has/is involved in illegal/criminal pratices then inform the authorities and go to court
- if you are really concerned for soe members then you open an account and help them in any way you can within the rules. 1300 other members seem to manage to help each other without getting banned
- or carry on with copy/paste/bitch about things here.

It is as simple as that.

ilikepies said:

gah to many replies to replies too many arguments going on at once I'll just say some things without fogging this post up

First off to Tony i'm confused as to the point of you talking about the example of you like...not being able to get into your site whatever, and you talked to basilis and bla blah, seems like you are just experiencing the same kind of crazy site changes that i've just been talkin about so I dunno how you were arguing there so maybe you can clear that up

Overall I just wanna say like.. COME ON. It's ridiculous the sheer amount of evidence out there that of Brads egotistical selfish actions in regards to banning people and censoring comments, I mean its just so outrageous to the point I'm flabbergasted that we've actually taken so much space here arguing about this, not that I demand the argument end and you admit defeat or blah blah but thats just how I feel, from my point of view the Jury is fucking out, I mean if you want me to try to compile an actual list of all the things just over and over again abuse of power, attempts to scam people, hitting on girls forcefully using fake psychic powers, claiming to have defeated all the evil aliens singlehandedly and then telling us all we're gonna "leave our lives" I mean its just enough at this point, it's enough to really stand up and wonder how this is allowed to continue in this day and age, its stupid and crazy and evil and yet it just explains how flawed we as people are, that under the right circumstances people really will allow horrible things to happen, allow themselves to be drawn into and support and defend horrible things, i'm not saying Brad is Hitler but damn hes really an asshole

any way feel free to pick through all that for things i said that may not be literally technically true and blah blah blah, But i'm honestly fucking shocked at the way you seem to go on and on like this. Either your really insanely fucking ignorant or you just really want that seat at the head table in cult land

alright lets start with this then

2009-05-26T23:10:05.062Z

dont prize yourself deux its unbecoming. as stated many times there is contact behind the scenes as well as in front. The last contact was exactly that, the last contact. If you were not so blinded by hate you would have clearly read what he said "Sorry i just like to vent here. cuase people listen. Its more than what anyone else does for me".

So as you can see he has had and continues to have all the support people can muster.

DeusEx said:

Thanks again for contacting, Vaddix. It's a shame that it had to wait until we kept bugging you to do something about the situation...

Tony said:
well on the rare occasion that this is here is the latest mail from Vaddix, as stated no doubt a lot of people sent him advice.

From Vaddix to Tony
Sent 3 hours ago

Oh wow. I dont like this place. I really really dont. But i dont really think suicide is an option. actually i think im gonna delete my blog now, no sence in getting people worried. . Sure im not having a good time here like at all But i would never consider that. Im just hoping some aliens will pop down and steal me But thats not gonna happen so ill concentrate on escapeing in other means. Like astral or something.
My life goal is to make this place better in anyway i can. I just hate it the way it is right now. Im hear fpr a reason. I just wish i knew what it was and i wish somebody would give me a break really from the constant stress im under right now. Sorry i just like to vent here. cuase people listen. Its more than what anyone else does for me.
Thanks for the link and the concern, and thank the people who were concerned too since i don't know who they are. I dont think ill be needing it however anytime soon.
Vaddix

alright lets start with this then

2009-05-26T23:00:41.219Z

gah to many replies to replies too many arguments going on at once I'll just say some things without fogging this post up

First off to Tony i'm confused as to the point of you talking about the example of you like...not being able to get into your site whatever, and you talked to basilis and bla blah, seems like you are just experiencing the same kind of crazy site changes that i've just been talkin about so I dunno how you were arguing there so maybe you can clear that up

Overall I just wanna say like.. COME ON. It's ridiculous the sheer amount of evidence out there that of Brads egotistical selfish actions in regards to banning people and censoring comments, I mean its just so outrageous to the point I'm flabbergasted that we've actually taken so much space here arguing about this, not that I demand the argument end and you admit defeat or blah blah but thats just how I feel, from my point of view the Jury is fucking out, I mean if you want me to try to compile an actual list of all the things just over and over again abuse of power, attempts to scam people, hitting on girls forcefully using fake psychic powers, claiming to have defeated all the evil aliens singlehandedly and then telling us all we're gonna "leave our lives" I mean its just enough at this point, it's enough to really stand up and wonder how this is allowed to continue in this day and age, its stupid and crazy and evil and yet it just explains how flawed we as people are, that under the right circumstances people really will allow horrible things to happen, allow themselves to be drawn into and support and defend horrible things, i'm not saying Brad is Hitler but damn hes really an asshole

any way feel free to pick through all that for things i said that may not be literally technically true and blah blah blah, But i'm honestly fucking shocked at the way you seem to go on and on like this. Either your really insanely fucking ignorant or you just really want that seat at the head table in cult land