BSB took a visit to SOSOE...

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Permalink Reply by iDom on March 19, 2009 at 11:53am

I'm just reposting the reply to BSB that I wrote on SOE.



It would have been nice you post your thoughts over there at SoSoE, Mike, but it’s still cool you share your thoughts here, I suppose.

Trudy’s message here makes a lot of sense, Mike. I would suggest you read it again.

Now let me address a few things here, for I think — I am sure, actually —, you might not have spent enough time reading at SoSoE, hence your conclusions are quite hastily drawn.

“They believe we need to be saved from ourselves or something like that”, you say.

Well, first off, I think that visiting there — or visiting life in general —, you should get in there with a healthy dose of humor. This world lacks so much of it.
Taking it from there, you would understand that, beyond any such big idea of saving anyone from themselves, it is more about showing the brick wall that blocks the view. It is more about, not debunking, not disbelieving, but more about reasoning, critical thinking and using some of the 90% untouched parts of one’s brain and heart. Yes, AND heart too.

"So anyway I went and the first thing I notice is the site layout they have is a bit dark and unnerving but besides that the site is exacly the same except they all bash on Brad for whatever reason."

The site layout is not dark, dear: it is easy on the eyes, vaporous as an incense smoke, and less ugly PC-looking. Chiaroscuros & Sfumatos… I'm sure you missed that!
Sorry, I’m on the Mac side — confirms my dark psychic belonging, I’m afraid —, with just a "little" sense of aesthetics, which obviously is flowing against trend. :)

Saying the site is the exactly same comes only from the fact you did not spend a lot of time reading there. You would have then seen major differences if you did.

As for the “bash on Brad”, I would suggest you really look into that — if you’re interested, and not afraid to feel uncomfortable, that is.

"It seems to me they all have this anger towards brad but besides that I dont think the hatred is directed to everyone"

You are quite right on that one, no hatred is directed to “everyone”. We’re pointing to certain people (not only Brad) and concepts. And we — me first —, point to that in a clear direct manner — which is often interpreted as a slap —, also using strong language and very graphic elements because we do not forget the healthy dose of (caustic) humor and the right to speak out straight — which is a funny thing for someone being gay, as you can imagine.

But rather than hatred, I would use “caustic change” in response to delirious concepts and mainly, disinformation when not blatant lies and stupidity — yes, that pushes my/our buttons and has my pen having wet orgasmic moments.


"The difference is they all believe we are devout to Brad like he is our personal Jesus and savior WHICH ISNT TRUE"

I think really considering someone like Brad a “personal Jesus” or “savior” would be giving the man far more importance than he really has. Yet indeed, has that label surfaced, but only — if one wants to be honest —, from the words and over self-centered stances from the said “savior”.

You see, when someone puts himself in the frontline, creating websites upon websites to “wake the world”, “teach” and “guide”, obviously that implies such an individual has a better knowledge of things and is here to teach the profane. At some point one has to take responsibility for it…

If you would really have looked into what’s on SoSoE and related blogs, you would have discovered that such a concept as we find (found?) here on SoE are as we know a very common trend and always tend to fit the pattern of what is also known as messiah complex. That’s one of the terms you’ll find over there and that indeed explains the “personal Jesus” label that seems to stick to Brad — though we know he’s not the only one (real life is not like in “Highlander” haha).

It must have been a little prophetic of me (retrospectively), but that’s the reason why, back in November last year I did that “Awakened” video which made me wonder whether I wasn't psychic after all. :)

Now, the notion of being devout to Brad might sound a little far fetched, but you see, Mike, when people start praise someone exhibiting any such things — though foolish —, as (the old myth of) solfeggio frequencies, channeling the Arcturians (or whoever and even channeling a tree in one’s backyard), as well as countless other such wonders — from graphic design expertise to pc’s to curing cancer and “helping” with autism or writing, out of rage, such rule as “anti-duality” and such —, devotion might not be the correct term, but brainless stupidity is definitely the correct one.
If you or anyone respect or even only take seriously someone having the guts to write something like this or inventing such a thing as an anti-duality policy, then if you or anyone really want to be honest about it, I think you’ll just laugh your ass off, right? Or cry out of pity despair on the altar of human intelligence.

This is how, should you have really taken a few moments to look into it, you would have found a great deal of interest in SoSoE or even the Northside Irregular blog or my own.

Now as regards as this very community here, you are right, I/we have nothing against it except its tendency to nurture disinformation. We just criticize the amount of disinformation and all its ramifications.

This said, of course anyone has a right to believe what one wants. If you have decided that the skies are pink and not blue, because it suits whatever belief you have — based on a piece of YouTube information, for example : those seem to be the new Harvard —, you have a right to. That won’t make the skies pink, though, but you can still find friends who think alike.
However, the skies shall remain blue nonetheless.

You write about “fixing a situation” and I must say I’m a little confused about what you mean? What is it to be fixed? If you would refer to my sky color example, I do not think there is anything to be fixed apart for people to be responsible and respecting their own intelligence enough in order to go take a walk on some educational spheres, get really interested in subjects and learn, without just swallowing nonsense, smiling happily evolved to it. Of course, doing so often shatters the candy shores of fantasyland, so I guess if SoE would take such a walk, it would become SoSoE. :)

You write: “this is the wrong time to start splintering ourselves up because a time is going to come when we have to stand together”

What “wrong time”?
Isn’t it ALWAYS the wrong time for splinter, starting in our very own houses and lives? That’s really where it starts and it has nothing to do with being a “Savior Of Earth” or a “Lightworker” or anything such.
If one would start by being an honest person, loosing grip on the convenient look on things, just for the comfort of a belief — soon boiling fanaticism —, it would be a good start.

Rather than such an extreme thing as to “kill Brad”, I would tend to think the right way would be for some people — and I entend that far beyond SoE, actually — to kill the “Brad” in themselves instead.
For you see, “awakening” is such a big word… It has a meaning though…
But when someone really wants to awake and drink from some sacro-sanct truth, it’s got to be from the reality cup, not from one’s own personal convenient “truth”, or… you’re soon back to the cute pink skies, rabbit.

Maybe that’s why you enjoyed Bill Maher’s show lately? I’m sure that you know in your book, Maher would be more in the “Dark Psychic Team” camp rather than in the “Lightworkers’”…

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Permalink Reply by LeavingSOE on March 19, 2009 at 1:16pm

Thanks for posting this. You very clearly captured the spirit of this site. I wish we could get some counterpoints posted on this topic and others.

iDom said:

I'm just reposting the reply to BSB that I wrote on SOE.



It would have been nice you post your thoughts over there at SoSoE, Mike, but it’s still cool you share your thoughts here, I suppose.

Trudy’s message here makes a lot of sense, Mike. I would suggest you read it again.

Now let me address a few things here, for I think — I am sure, actually —, you might not have spent enough time reading at SoSoE, hence your conclusions are quite hastily drawn.

“They believe we need to be saved from ourselves or something like that”, you say.

Well, first off, I think that visiting there — or visiting life in general —, you should get in there with a healthy dose of humor. This world lacks so much of it.
Taking it from there, you would understand that, beyond any such big idea of saving anyone from themselves, it is more about showing the brick wall that blocks the view. It is more about, not debunking, not disbelieving, but more about reasoning, critical thinking and using some of the 90% untouched parts of one’s brain and heart. Yes, AND heart too.

"So anyway I went and the first thing I notice is the site layout they have is a bit dark and unnerving but besides that the site is exacly the same except they all bash on Brad for whatever reason."

The site layout is not dark, dear: it is easy on the eyes, vaporous as an incense smoke, and less ugly PC-looking. Chiaroscuros & Sfumatos… I'm sure you missed that!
Sorry, I’m on the Mac side — confirms my dark psychic belonging, I’m afraid —, with just a "little" sense of aesthetics, which obviously is flowing against trend. :)

Saying the site is the exactly same comes only from the fact you did not spend a lot of time reading there. You would have then seen major differences if you did.

As for the “bash on Brad”, I would suggest you really look into that — if you’re interested, and not afraid to feel uncomfortable, that is.

"It seems to me they all have this anger towards brad but besides that I dont think the hatred is directed to everyone"

You are quite right on that one, no hatred is directed to “everyone”. We’re pointing to certain people (not only Brad) and concepts. And we — me first —, point to that in a clear direct manner — which is often interpreted as a slap —, also using strong language and very graphic elements because we do not forget the healthy dose of (caustic) humor and the right to speak out straight — which is a funny thing for someone being gay, as you can imagine.

But rather than hatred, I would use “caustic change” in response to delirious concepts and mainly, disinformation when not blatant lies and stupidity — yes, that pushes my/our buttons and has my pen having wet orgasmic moments.


"The difference is they all believe we are devout to Brad like he is our personal Jesus and savior WHICH ISNT TRUE"

I think really considering someone like Brad a “personal Jesus” or “savior” would be giving the man far more importance than he really has. Yet indeed, has that label surfaced, but only — if one wants to be honest —, from the words and over self-centered stances from the said “savior”.

You see, when someone puts himself in the frontline, creating websites upon websites to “wake the world”, “teach” and “guide”, obviously that implies such an individual has a better knowledge of things and is here to teach the profane. At some point one has to take responsibility for it…

If you would really have looked into what’s on SoSoE and related blogs, you would have discovered that such a concept as we find (found?) here on SoE are as we know a very common trend and always tend to fit the pattern of what is also known as messiah complex. That’s one of the terms you’ll find over there and that indeed explains the “personal Jesus” label that seems to stick to Brad — though we know he’s not the only one (real life is not like in “Highlander” haha).

It must have been a little prophetic of me (retrospectively), but that’s the reason why, back in November last year I did that “Awakened” video which made me wonder whether I wasn't psychic after all. :)

Now, the notion of being devout to Brad might sound a little far fetched, but you see, Mike, when people start praise someone exhibiting any such things — though foolish —, as (the old myth of) solfeggio frequencies, channeling the Arcturians (or whoever and even channeling a tree in one’s backyard), as well as countless other such wonders — from graphic design expertise to pc’s to curing cancer and “helping” with autism or writing, out of rage, such rule as “anti-duality” and such —, devotion might not be the correct term, but brainless stupidity is definitely the correct one.
If you or anyone respect or even only take seriously someone having the guts to write something like this or inventing such a thing as an anti-duality policy, then if you or anyone really want to be honest about it, I think you’ll just laugh your ass off, right? Or cry out of pity despair on the altar of human intelligence.

This is how, should you have really taken a few moments to look into it, you would have found a great deal of interest in SoSoE or even the Northside Irregular blog or my own.

Now as regards as this very community here, you are right, I/we have nothing against it except its tendency to nurture disinformation. We just criticize the amount of disinformation and all its ramifications.

This said, of course anyone has a right to believe what one wants. If you have decided that the skies are pink and not blue, because it suits whatever belief you have — based on a piece of YouTube information, for example : those seem to be the new Harvard —, you have a right to. That won’t make the skies pink, though, but you can still find friends who think alike.
However, the skies shall remain blue nonetheless.

You write about “fixing a situation” and I must say I’m a little confused about what you mean? What is it to be fixed? If you would refer to my sky color example, I do not think there is anything to be fixed apart for people to be responsible and respecting their own intelligence enough in order to go take a walk on some educational spheres, get really interested in subjects and learn, without just swallowing nonsense, smiling happily evolved to it. Of course, doing so often shatters the candy shores of fantasyland, so I guess if SoE would take such a walk, it would become SoSoE. :)

You write: “this is the wrong time to start splintering ourselves up because a time is going to come when we have to stand together”

What “wrong time”?
Isn’t it ALWAYS the wrong time for splinter, starting in our very own houses and lives? That’s really where it starts and it has nothing to do with being a “Savior Of Earth” or a “Lightworker” or anything such.
If one would start by being an honest person, loosing grip on the convenient look on things, just for the comfort of a belief — soon boiling fanaticism —, it would be a good start.

Rather than such an extreme thing as to “kill Brad”, I would tend to think the right way would be for some people — and I entend that far beyond SoE, actually — to kill the “Brad” in themselves instead.
For you see, “awakening” is such a big word… It has a meaning though…
But when someone really wants to awake and drink from some sacro-sanct truth, it’s got to be from the reality cup, not from one’s own personal convenient “truth”, or… you’re soon back to the cute pink skies, rabbit.

Maybe that’s why you enjoyed Bill Maher’s show lately? I’m sure that you know in your book, Maher would be more in the “Dark Psychic Team” camp rather than in the “Lightworkers’”…

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Permalink Reply by teddycool on March 19, 2009 at 4:18pm

Whats up with these SOE members visiting this site for like one day once they signed up and just plan on visiting once in a while.

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Permalink Reply by ilikepies on March 19, 2009 at 4:39pm

because they don't want to have to deal with the things we're saying, the arguments, the facts, the inconsistencies, they either want to write it all of as "a bunch of people bashing on brad" or just ignore it all "laadiidaa love and light"

The like one time I had a chance where Brad thought he could handle chatting to me head on and not just banning me from chat and talking about me to everyone when I couldn't say anything back I litterally got answers to questions that were just like ":)" "I love you ilikepies" "love and light" and then finally "I dont want to deal with the past". Every time he attempted to answer something I could easily throw it back in his face and he needed to retreat back to his bullshit avoidance routine. Then after like 2 minutes of him acting all all knowing and non judging and kind he literally throws it in my face all "Have I judged you at all during this 2 minute conversation" and im like "no gee brad i guess you answering my questions with smiley faces dosen't count as judging congratufuckinglations way to make yourself obvious" and then he of course follows that with "but may i just ask you one kind hearted question, why are you so angry?" "i'm not angry Brad I have a joyful and sometimes passionate interest in debunking frauds who i view are doing something that is morally unjust"

Brad: "ok then, well I'm going to leave" and he just leaves, never even attempting to debate me again, going back to banning me and deleting me and eventually shredding his fake "i am now non judgmental and all being" with his threats of legal action and nonduality rules essentially proving that his whole attitude with me that one time was all an act.

Sorry to pick on Brad again but I just think he's so blatantly filled with everything thats wrong with this whole thing that he's just the easiest and most obvious example. People who are just blindly forcing themselves into these believes without evidence or reason for the purpose of making themselves feel better cannot deal with stuff like this, they simply can't, they don't know how, they can't bear to try. They come to this site and they swear or they threaten or they talk down to us or they decide we're all horrible Brad bashers and they leave without any attempt to join in any real kind of discussion or debate surrounding the myriad of good points that are made here.

First they want to ban us all from SOE than they want to write us off as evil and negative cause we continue practicing free speech here. If SOE as a group wasn't so filled with people who hold such flimsy beliefs for the sake of comfort and led by a bunch of even stupider sadder assholes there never would have been this separation and the need for this site in the first place




teddycool said:

Whats up with these SOE members visiting this site for like one day once they signed up and just plan on visiting once in a while.

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Permalink Reply by LeavingSOE on March 19, 2009 at 8:03pm

Mo-Dean, please do not start a conspiracy. Deus is not ilikepies. :P

Mo-Dean said:

Brilliant, Deus. I sign below everything you just said.
ilikepies said:

because they don't want to have to deal with the things we're saying, the arguments, the facts, the inconsistencies, they either want to write it all of as "a bunch of people bashing on brad" or just ignore it all "laadiidaa love and light"

The like one time I had a chance where Brad thought he could handle chatting to me head on and not just banning me from chat and talking about me to everyone when I couldn't say anything back I litterally got answers to questions that were just like ":)" "I love you ilikepies" "love and light" and then finally "I dont want to deal with the past". Every time he attempted to answer something I could easily throw it back in his face and he needed to retreat back to his bullshit avoidance routine. Then after like 2 minutes of him acting all all knowing and non judging and kind he literally throws it in my face all "Have I judged you at all during this 2 minute conversation" and im like "no gee brad i guess you answering my questions with smiley faces dosen't count as judging congratufuckinglations way to make yourself obvious" and then he of course follows that with "but may i just ask you one kind hearted question, why are you so angry?" "i'm not angry Brad I have a joyful and sometimes passionate interest in debunking frauds who i view are doing something that is morally unjust" Brad: "ok then, well I'm going to leave" and he just leaves, never even attempting to debate me again, going back to banning me and deleting me and eventually shredding his fake "i am now non judgmental and all being" with his threats of legal action and nonduality rules essentially proving that his whole attitude with me that one time was all an act.

Sorry to pick on Brad again but I just think he's so blatantly filled with everything thats wrong with this whole thing that he's just the easiest and most obvious example. People who are just blindly forcing themselves into these believes without evidence or reason for the purpose of making themselves feel better cannot deal with stuff like this, they simply can't, they don't know how, they can't bear to try. They come to this site and they swear or they threaten or they talk down to us or they decide we're all horrible Brad bashers and they leave without any attempt to join in any real kind of discussion or debate surrounding the myriad of good points that are made here.

First they want to ban us all from SOE than they want to write us off as evil and negative cause we continue practicing free speech here. If SOE as a group wasn't so filled with people who hold such flimsy beliefs for the sake of comfort and led by a bunch of even stupider sadder assholes there never would have been this separation and the need for this site in the first place




teddycool said:

Whats up with these SOE members visiting this site for like one day once they signed up and just plan on visiting once in a while.

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Permalink Reply by ilikepies on March 19, 2009 at 9:07pm

oh no you've discovered my horrifying secret. I am the genetic offspring of a race of beings created by the aliens who bult the pyramids who has the ability to shape shift into Deus....thats how i pulled off 9/11

LeavingSOE said:

Mo-Dean, please do not start a conspiracy. Deus is not ilikepies. :P

Mo-Dean said:

Brilliant, Deus. I sign below everything you just said.
ilikepies said:

because they don't want to have to deal with the things we're saying, the arguments, the facts, the inconsistencies, they either want to write it all of as "a bunch of people bashing on brad" or just ignore it all "laadiidaa love and light"

The like one time I had a chance where Brad thought he could handle chatting to me head on and not just banning me from chat and talking about me to everyone when I couldn't say anything back I litterally got answers to questions that were just like ":)" "I love you ilikepies" "love and light" and then finally "I dont want to deal with the past". Every time he attempted to answer something I could easily throw it back in his face and he needed to retreat back to his bullshit avoidance routine. Then after like 2 minutes of him acting all all knowing and non judging and kind he literally throws it in my face all "Have I judged you at all during this 2 minute conversation" and im like "no gee brad i guess you answering my questions with smiley faces dosen't count as judging congratufuckinglations way to make yourself obvious" and then he of course follows that with "but may i just ask you one kind hearted question, why are you so angry?" "i'm not angry Brad I have a joyful and sometimes passionate interest in debunking frauds who i view are doing something that is morally unjust" Brad: "ok then, well I'm going to leave" and he just leaves, never even attempting to debate me again, going back to banning me and deleting me and eventually shredding his fake "i am now non judgmental and all being" with his threats of legal action and nonduality rules essentially proving that his whole attitude with me that one time was all an act.

Sorry to pick on Brad again but I just think he's so blatantly filled with everything thats wrong with this whole thing that he's just the easiest and most obvious example. People who are just blindly forcing themselves into these believes without evidence or reason for the purpose of making themselves feel better cannot deal with stuff like this, they simply can't, they don't know how, they can't bear to try. They come to this site and they swear or they threaten or they talk down to us or they decide we're all horrible Brad bashers and they leave without any attempt to join in any real kind of discussion or debate surrounding the myriad of good points that are made here.

First they want to ban us all from SOE than they want to write us off as evil and negative cause we continue practicing free speech here. If SOE as a group wasn't so filled with people who hold such flimsy beliefs for the sake of comfort and led by a bunch of even stupider sadder assholes there never would have been this separation and the need for this site in the first place




teddycool said:

Whats up with these SOE members visiting this site for like one day once they signed up and just plan on visiting once in a while.

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