Effort towards a rebuttal of the notion of "personal truth"

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Permalink Reply by ilikepies on March 17, 2009 at 12:43pm

personal truth is just fancy wording for saying something like "just have faith, god wants you to have faith, god works in mysterious ways"

Everything anyone ever knows is already personal truth because there's no such thing as a person who can look at the world objectively, the thing is most people SHOULD have some sort of reason or some sort of defense when they make big claims like "I can channel beings from space" they should be able to explain questions that are brought up about it and not just write every scrap of logic off with "its my personal truth"

Of course SOE never gave a shit about people's pesonal truths Brad and all his butthurt sad admin did plenty of banning and deleting of other people's personal truths because they didnt like it.

There is no difference between "faith" and "personal truth" as it is used on SOE, none whatsoever

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Permalink Reply by DeusEx on March 17, 2009 at 12:56pm

*gets popcorn*

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Permalink Reply by LeavingSOE on March 17, 2009 at 4:21pm

Can we clearly define "personal truth"?
personal truth as defined by LSOE with the help of google's define command:
a fact that has been verified (truth) that is particular to a given individual (personal)
I eat apple pie, and that's my personal truth. You can verify it, and it is particular to me. But I don't think that's what is meant by "personal truth" in the new age arena. "The idea of personal truth boils down to an affirmation that people are entitled to their own beliefs."

I would take it further and say that on SOE it is an affirmation that people are entitled to their beliefs and they should not challenge them or test them if they "resonate" with the belief. Additionally, on SOE, it means that nobody else should challenge the belief or ask for proof. Personal truths are, in the SOE context, beliefs proposed to be true with personal resonating as the proof. No scientific proof required!

For the purposes of the remaining questions, I will use this latter definition, for it fits in the context much better than my concatenated dictionary definition.

What's the difference between "faith" and "personal truth"
In my opinion, there is a big difference between "faith" and "personal truth." Faith means to believe or have trust in something without proof. It is much different when a person says "I have faith that..." versus "I know that..." And personal truth is always accompanied with "I know that..." Don't mistake me, someone people say, "I have faith that... because I know that..." But those individuals are abusing the word faith.

How does "personal truth" fit in with the SOE-type worldview?
I have some thoughts on this, but I'm afraid they might be offensive. Let me just say that I find that SOE is a yes-man environment (smack me if I'm wrong), and slapping the "personal truth" sticker on everything is conducive to that environment. Personal evolution in the real world, evolving as a human being, is a bitch and is full of challenging your beliefs and having your beliefs challenged. It's work and it's change and it's painful.

What is the logical function of this notion?
Logical function? Not so sure if there is one. The function, in my opinion, is to protect one's ego. It's a way to say something, feel important about what you say, and ignore the criticism. It's a defense mechanism, in my honest opinion.

In what circumstances is "personal truth" used and how?
I think I covered this in my previous answers, so I won't elaborate anymore at this point in time.

Is it possible to negate the idea of "personal truth" without hitting the "faith" impasse?
I think the only negation of "personal truth" is that "truth" is verifiable. Verify or else call it "faith."

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Permalink Reply by DeusEx on March 17, 2009 at 5:58pm

What if you're the 800 pound silverback? :P

Jayden said:

You see, Hitler and his Nazi group had their personal truths, and you see what happened there!

Fact of the matter is, you can't talk a delusional person out of self-justification! And denial will always catch up, since it automatically creates a FORCE of energy within an individuals' life. When something is resisted or denied, it persists and even grows stronger, till it is quite the angry 300 lb gorilla in the room. And then, all of the RESULTS of one's Karmas (action) come to fruition.

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Permalink Reply by Tab on March 17, 2009 at 6:23pm

Groovy

As for the function question I'll paraphrase one of my many confrontations with Brad. From what I could understand he was saying that he had a Gnostic/Existential interpretation of reality, that the outside world was an illusion and that all we can rely on is the knowledge that we exist. Everything outside ourselves is speculative and really not important. From what I can tell his whole deal is a mish mash of other theories that he barely understands.

I then asked him how he can reconcile this idea with the fact that he publishes and creates communities and talks to alien beings to which he splurted out some nonsense quack channeler answer. I then asked him about personal truth and why this idea of personal truth is used in a purely defensive manner. Then he was all like huh and I was like ya bro in yo face.

I asked him if his channeling and content therefrom was his personal truth and he said yes. Then I asked why he didn't put a disclaimer on his channeling that said "This is my personal truth and should be considered as such" but unfortunately he couldn't answer that because he had to go, presumably to slaughter a baby goat to bathe in it's blood.

So I gather from this that personal truth isn't used before any given statement or fact because the very idea undermines the message and the intent of the speaker/channeler. The nature of "personal truth" (if used as a disclaimer)establishes probable doubt, and serves logically as an opportunity for the audience to consider whatever information that follows for it's factual content and how it contends with his or her pre-set notions. So the idea of "personal truth" is ultimately detrimental to the authorities (ie brad, Blossom) if used in in a responsible way. To this date I haven't found any channeling or other document that is pre-empted with a "personal truth" disclaimer.

Other questions I'm wondering about: What happens when 2 people agree on something? Does it become shared truth? Let's say each personal truth has a serial number. If it is my personal truth that Brad is a channeler, is it his personal truth that I adopt as my own? Or is it a different personal truth which is mine but very similar but has a different serial number? How can we reconcile the wording of the concept and it's application if in fact any given "personal truth" is merely a category that many people or ideas can fall under? Should we then look at how using the words "personal" and "truth" together to describe this is insidious and misleading?


How can we compare uses such as:

" My personal truth is I like pie"

" My personal truth is that a giant light ship was going to appear in the sky."

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Permalink Reply by Jesus Cries on March 17, 2009 at 8:58pm

LeavingSOE said:

Can we clearly define "personal truth"?
personal truth as defined by LSOE with the help of google's define command:
a fact that has been verified (truth) that is particular to a given individual (personal)
I eat apple pie, and that's my personal truth. You can verify it, and it is particular to me. But I don't think that's what is meant by "personal truth" in the new age arena. "The idea of personal truth boils down to an affirmation that people are entitled to their own beliefs."

I would take it further and say that on SOE it is an affirmation that people are entitled to their beliefs and they should not challenge them or test them if they "resonate" with the belief. Additionally, on SOE, it means that nobody else should challenge the belief or ask for proof. Personal truths are, in the SOE context, beliefs proposed to be true with personal resonating as the proof. No scientific proof required!

For the purposes of the remaining questions, I will use this latter definition, for it fits in the context much better than my concatenated dictionary definition.

What's the difference between "faith" and "personal truth"
In my opinion, there is a big difference between "faith" and "personal truth." Faith means to believe or have trust in something without proof. It is much different when a person says "I have faith that..." versus "I know that..." And personal truth is always accompanied with "I know that..." Don't mistake me, someone people say, "I have faith that... because I know that..." But those individuals are abusing the word faith.

How does "personal truth" fit in with the SOE-type worldview?
I have some thoughts on this, but I'm afraid they might be offensive. Let me just say that I find that SOE is a yes-man environment (smack me if I'm wrong), and slapping the "personal truth" sticker on everything is conducive to that environment. Personal evolution in the real world, evolving as a human being, is a bitch and is full of challenging your beliefs and having your beliefs challenged. It's work and it's change and it's painful.

What is the logical function of this notion?
Logical function? Not so sure if there is one. The function, in my opinion, is to protect one's ego. It's a way to say something, feel important about what you say, and ignore the criticism. It's a defense mechanism, in my honest opinion.

In what circumstances is "personal truth" used and how?
I think I covered this in my previous answers, so I won't elaborate anymore at this point in time.

Is it possible to negate the idea of "personal truth" without hitting the "faith" impasse?
I think the only negation of "personal truth" is that "truth" is verifiable. Verify or else call it "faith."

good post..

i like that!

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Permalink Reply by Tab on March 20, 2009 at 1:18pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublespeak


"Doublespeak (sometimes called doubletalk) is language constructed to disguise or distort its actual meaning, often resulting in a communication bypass. Doublespeak may take the form of bald euphemisms (e.g., "downsizing" for layoffs) or deliberate ambiguity."

Could we consider "personal truth", "duality" and "resonate" as examples of this? Any other words we could add to the new-age doublespeak lexicon?

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Permalink Reply by teddycool on March 20, 2009 at 7:10pm

The truth that can be seek from like the internet for instances affects their belief, but what seems to be wrong is it sometimes mix with lies. The Oct 14 2008 event didn't occur, but some experience something on that day because of their beliefs. The belief of believing that such catastrophic event will occur in the future willl only affect their reality. Some information do give good insights of the future, and some are for helping and guiding you in your sprituallity. This is why you must becareful and think for yourself.

Can we clearly define "personal truth"?
Personal truth is the truth that you discover by looking inward or inner self. It takes time to look inward, to contemplate who you are and your personal truth.It sometimes require quieting the mind and content state to hear the inner voice that offers the personal or inner truth. It also requires to look beyond the truth, rather then taking putting your faith in it without taking time to think for yourself.So, what truths regarding your nature are you able to discover?

How does "personal truth" fit in with the SOE-type worldview?
About SOE, I think it's a great place for learning, but there was one problem which was brad. Brad's action in banning members,his rules,his ego,his fame,his money making, and his channeling. Understand that know no one can teach you the way, no one can tell if your experiences were right or wrong.The truth must be live and experience.Look beyond the truth instead of resting on words besides your spirit. It does take some degree of will power to stay focused on your personal truth, but you must do so if you are to be true to youeself.

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Permalink Reply by Tab on April 12, 2009 at 2:34pm

Here are some quotes taken from Blossom's blog concerning the events or non-events of April 10th 2009. To me it seems pretty clear that "personal truth" is used to cover her ass: How can you simultaneously be a channel for evolved beings from outer space and "know no more" than anyone else? I find it hilarious that the humility kicks in very much after the outrageous declarations and never as a disclaimer before the fact.

Is truth not an unequivocal state of something being not untrue? And if you view things from a positional standpoint of degrees of truth and not oppositional black and white truth/untruth, then wouldn't it be more intellectually honest to clarify this or come up with another word that is more representative of the reality that you're espousing? Sure joining "personal" to "truth" might create this effect, but seeing as the latter word is still used in the phrase, it still carries with it the baggage and significant traits of "truth" being used alone. As we have seen so far it seems to cause confusion and serves only as a means of absolving oneself from any responsibility.

Quotes from Blossom's blog:


"Apr 6, 2009
New channelling.
Hi everyone. Just to let you know that a channelling came through this evening (April 6th). It is not my usual time to put channellings up, so just wanted to let everyone know it is there. Thanks.

Only a few more sleeps until The Global Visualistaion. Thanks so much for everyone who is participating. Let us enjoy the Love that we are giving out to our space family. I KNOW THEY WILL FEEL IT. And yes, in all Truth I know no more than you, but have your cameras at the ready ... I'm sure you have all thought of that anyway... just in case!!

thank you to everyone for your ongoing support.

In Love light Laughter and Golden Rays
Blossom. xxxxxxx"



"Apr 9, 2009
Happy Easter!
Hello everyone.

I would just like to take this opportunity to wish you all a very Happy Easter and to remind you of the Global Visual Affect that is taking place on Good Friday at 9pm Brisbane Queensland time. ... 11am GMT.

Hopefully there will be literally thousands of us sending out a 'Welcome' from our hearts to our space family 'somewhere out there'.

Many feel that the Light display that The Federation have recently spoken of, will take place on this day. Personally, I feel that may not be the case , and that it may take place when we least expect it. In my Truth I know no more than anyone else.

I think the main point in all of this, is to let The Federation FEEL our LOVE and SEE our LIGHT... and then maybe ... just maybe ... one day soon , we will see theirs!

Above all ... enjoy the fact that many souls on earth are sending out Love ... at the same time ... that in itself, shall raise the vibration of the planet yet again!!!

Thanks to everyone for participating in this visualistion. We KNOW it will do so much good!

Happy days ahead!

Love Light Laughter & Golden Rays. and a very BIG THANK YOU!

Blossom"



"In all truth" VS "In my truth" hmmmmmmm....

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Permalink Reply by DeusEx on April 12, 2009 at 4:16pm

Nice analysis, Tab. This SOE members says it really well, as far I can understand LOL:

http://saviorsofearth.ning.com/xn/detail/2492330:Comment:145471

It is looking to convenient. I ask you this my friend, if ships did appeared on Apr. 10, how would be given the credit? Yes, Blossom Goddchild. Surely she not given credit for nothing happen but take credit if yes! I am in aggreeance with BunyfuFu, we must look beyond imaginizing our desire inside our heads to meat extra terrestrials. They are deceitful, not of their word. We have only ourselfs to believe, for we are divine! is needing of no one else!!!!
hopeful is understanding, sorry my english is not good I am try hard to learning =)

TheTabarnac said:

Here are some quotes taken from Blossom's blog concerning the events or non-events of April 10th 2009. To me it seems pretty clear that "personal truth" is used to cover her ass: How can you simultaneously be a channel for evolved beings from outer space and "know no more" than anyone else? I find it hilarious that the humility kicks in very much after the outrageous declarations and never as a disclaimer before the fact.

Is truth not an unequivocal state of something being not untrue? And if you view things from a positional standpoint of degrees of truth and not oppositional black and white truth/untruth, then wouldn't it be more intellectually honest to clarify this or come up with another word that is more representative of the reality that you're espousing? Sure joining "personal" to "truth" might create this effect, but seeing as the latter word is still used in the phrase, it still carries with it the baggage and significant traits of "truth" being used alone. As we have seen so far it seems to cause confusion and serves only as a means of absolving oneself from any responsibility.

Quotes from Blossom's blog:


"Apr 6, 2009
New channelling.
Hi everyone. Just to let you know that a channelling came through this evening (April 6th). It is not my usual time to put channellings up, so just wanted to let everyone know it is there. Thanks.

Only a few more sleeps until The Global Visualistaion. Thanks so much for everyone who is participating. Let us enjoy the Love that we are giving out to our space family. I KNOW THEY WILL FEEL IT. And yes, in all Truth I know no more than you, but have your cameras at the ready ... I'm sure you have all thought of that anyway... just in case!!

thank you to everyone for your ongoing support.

In Love light Laughter and Golden Rays
Blossom. xxxxxxx"



"Apr 9, 2009
Happy Easter!
Hello everyone.

I would just like to take this opportunity to wish you all a very Happy Easter and to remind you of the Global Visual Affect that is taking place on Good Friday at 9pm Brisbane Queensland time. ... 11am GMT.

Hopefully there will be literally thousands of us sending out a 'Welcome' from our hearts to our space family 'somewhere out there'.

Many feel that the Light display that The Federation have recently spoken of, will take place on this day. Personally, I feel that may not be the case , and that it may take place when we least expect it. In my Truth I know no more than anyone else.

I think the main point in all of this, is to let The Federation FEEL our LOVE and SEE our LIGHT... and then maybe ... just maybe ... one day soon , we will see theirs!

Above all ... enjoy the fact that many souls on earth are sending out Love ... at the same time ... that in itself, shall raise the vibration of the planet yet again!!!

Thanks to everyone for participating in this visualistion. We KNOW it will do so much good!

Happy days ahead!

Love Light Laughter & Golden Rays. and a very BIG THANK YOU!

Blossom"



"In all truth" VS "In my truth" hmmmmmmm....

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Permalink Reply by LeavingSOE on May 1, 2009 at 2:23am

I think this conversation deserves a bump. Is the expression "hate site" an example of double-speak?

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Permalink Reply by PrincessHeart on May 1, 2009 at 6:11am

I had lots of material for this in my old SOE posts.. but just checked, and I've been banhammer'd. Without even having been active there for months. I don't feel like typing it all up again. Sorry I didn't get it all at the start of this topic! It crossed my mind..

I've put much thought into most of the stuff I've said, shits me that I'm pretty much the only one that sees it.

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